How can you be 'unsure' of your soul purpose and/or life purpose?

[Mr Interesting]

I suppose then the question is what is surety?

I'd have to say I let that go ages ago but that it still dogs me a little here and there.

Deconstruction is quite an interesting thing sometimes because when you take things apart the question of why it was even put together in the first place becomes somewhat reasonable to ask... after all, if it's built and it works why question it, or if it ain't broke then it don't need fixing, kinda leaves why we even need something in the first place unquestioned but when one does decide to take something apart and see's all the work and planning that goes into it then on the side there can't help but be the question of why we went to all this trouble to build something when possibly other machines might be more feasible to build.

So in a sense construction requires deconstruction because it questions why something would even be built.

The question then of soul or life purpose then becomes almost why do we require surety?

If we were to spend some time with that we might even get around to having a good look at what surety actually is but that's kinda dangerous because then we have to question that grand edifice of life purpose. What was before a great magnificent construction built to exude the highest qualities of human endeavour now seems a fragile and overly gauche attempt at... well, an Emperor’s new clothes metaphor if ever there was one.

The photo above is of my workshop space right at the moment and it's a complete mess and I might even tidy it up a little. The thing is I've almost finished about 5 artworks and they will go on to hanging on a wall and being somewhat definitive of what I am, purpose fulfilled as it were, but as the years go on and this doing and acheiving in the world carries on regardless I ponder more and more just the act of creation and specifically how much mess it creates, or I create within it anyways, and how that chaos of a whole bunch of tools and a whole bunch of ideas just seems, at least for me, all about the mess.

Everybody else see's the artworks finished and on a wall but I see the big whirlwind of mess I go into and then find time to tidy up. And how is this about surety or the lack of it.

I suppose that on that cutting edge, the creating and making and wondering if it's all pointless and it's never going to work and all the pathways are going to end in failure... even though I don't really feel that anymore, well I do actually but it's turned into a kind of excitement, an embracing of the unsureness, not being sure of anything but just trusting it'll work out.

I suppose that's what I'm actually saying but didn't know I was. Being unsure, not knowing, being entirely without aim... becomes purposeful. Putting the horse, the inherently wild animal, in front of the cart... where it's supposed to be?

[icebluefaerie]

I think as humans we want assurance for so many things. We may over question the idea of having a soul purpose and focus so much on having to be certain, to know that we know, when it fact, we may already know. Could it be we are just doubting ourselves? I believe it's good to question things, but so many get lost in the questions, even at times when they already have an answer. Sometimes we need to delve deeper, but other times we need to accept what we know. It's about a balance. It feels comforting to be certain about things, but I believe we don't always get the comfort of knowing everything beforehand. We can learn about life purpose by simply stepping out, believing in ourselves, and taking a chance. I like what you said about "Being unsure, not knowing, being entirely without aim... becomes purposeful." To me, what you said, there is freedom in that. I am probably rambling, but this is what I got out of your post.

[Mr Interesting]

It's almost as if I've seen enough of what I think they call convergent evolution, but correct me if I'm wrong, to almost see it all as if there is this whirlpool of ideas available to all but it becomes a matter of being able to have the skills required to enable the ideas to come into being.
Yes we might think that the precipitous occurrence that brought the idea to us indeed means that it is ours, that it is the obvious next step after all the steps we've already made and so the surety of the purpose of us being there and enacting the idea is such that, well, of course who else might be worthy of such other than us and so this is our purpose.

It's like the desire to create meaning adds dimension to what might be an idea and that all these ideas then get together to create a vision of themselves and then someone who happens to be versed in enabling the reality 'sees' that vision and then brings such into reality but then again maybe the reality was always so and the desires are merely reactions to the reality which was always in existence?

Now even I'm getting confused... but what it means sort of is that the purpose is existence itself and what we see as purposeful within us is merely an alignment to the realities that in a sense where always existent and that they became existent when the desires felt the necessary quality of the existence yet to be.

But where have I got to now? That good ol' Alpha and Omega thing where the beginning sits in the end and the end sits in the beginning and infinity looms... but what it kinda does for me is allows it all to be whatever it is going to be and I don't need a surety of myself as a separative part. It is a whole and wherever is suitable for me to align such talents as I might have, as the moments bunch up and then release themselves just like a river, I am flotsam within that river.

[naturesflow]

Unsure and sure relates to the known and unknown.

Life on the other hand just is.

You can strip back anything really and create it into something.

Yet unfolding of creation and life is in process in everyway of itself.


Whether one is seeking to be unsure or sure, a purpose or no purpose, perhaps they are still seeking something in the greater purpose of themselves? Life goes on. life is making known many things unknown which is why we seek to manifest it into being in so many ways.

We will always seek to create in so many ways of ourselves...it is really the nature of it.

Trust in process, is the guts of it, even as you seek, no matter what you seek.

Trusting in the unfolding of life in everyway of life.

[Mr Interesting]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Unsure and sure relates to the known and unknown.

Freudian slip? Pedantic I know but unsure and sure relates to unknown and known... Not that it matters but the slight possible twist is interesting.

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Life on the other hand just is.

We'll goto the next one here as it, the above should maybe be below that which is actually below.

Originally Posted by naturesflow

You can strip back anything really and create it into something.

Well this is where I find quantum physics conjectures quite interesting because when everything is indeed stripped back it can be anything and the nature of the observer states, as it were, the state to be stated.

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Yet unfolding of creation and life is in process in everyway of itself.

I've forgotten the question! Oops, I often do that.

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Whether one is seeking to be unsure or sure, a purpose or no purpose, perhaps they are still seeking something in the greater purpose of themselves? Life goes on. life is making known many things unknown which is why we seek to manifest it into being in so many ways.

We will always seek to create in so many ways of ourselves...it is really the nature of it.

Trust in process, is the guts of it, even as you seek, no matter what you seek.

Trusting in the unfolding of life in everyway of life.

Ah, the betweeness. Not yet a word but if I keep using it it might eventually become one. Not possibility but maybe possibility resting. Not possibility nor impossibility but being both and comfortable. I somehow feel that lets the essential leak into the world.

[naturesflow]

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Originally Posted by Mr Interesting

Freudian slip? Pedantic I know but unsure and sure relates to unknown and known... Not that it matters but the slight possible twist is interesting.

Care to explain my slip?

We'll goto the next one here as it, the above should maybe be below that which is actually below.

Now I am more confused? Care to explain further?

Well this is where I find quantum physics conjectures quite interesting because when everything is indeed stripped back it can be anything and the nature of the observer states, as it were, the state to be stated.

Uhuh, life is everything we create it to be. Observation is tricky because clear observing sees it without any involvement of you/me/I, it just is.( without you/me/I thoughts making it into something) :) Where as in the unclear/thoughts can make things a little skewed, twisted, pedantic even.

I've forgotten the question! Oops, I often do that.

Please explain as I am once more confused by your humour or is that something else?

Ah, the betweeness. Not yet a word but if I keep using it it might eventually become one. Not possibility but maybe possibility resting. Not possibility nor impossibility but being both and comfortable. I somehow feel that lets the essential leak into the world.

Middle path do you mean? Where all things flow from centre, yet, where you stand, walk, observe, can be the difference between muchness..(is that word?)

[Mr Interesting]

Betweeness?

I had a good indication of what it is, because I don't really know either, but it's like knowing the final brush stroke is coming up on the painting, that any more beyond that will just be too much but not even doing that final stroke almost because that'll complete it and people will nod in knowingness 'yes, it is complete and I know this and I am replete in knowing this' but it's not there... that which should have been, that which is an ending isn't... why isn't it there and if it's not there then where is it?

It's like Punk was so good simply because it wasn't. The these guys are **** thing meant that if they can do it and be **** then we can do it too because we'll all be **** together. A rather course enactment though it was, and rather angry and un-dignified, it had the essentiality of energy applied, the gaps appeared to be able to go out and do things.... and to do it people who could obviously do better simply didn't and saw such, doing better (and raised the question'was it better?) as an essential waste of the underlying ethos.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Unsure and sure relates to the known and unknown.

Life on the other hand just is.

You can strip back anything really and create it into something.

Yet unfolding of creation and life is in process in everyway of itself.


Whether one is seeking to be unsure or sure, a purpose or no purpose, perhaps they are still seeking something in the greater purpose of themselves? Life goes on. life is making known many things unknown which is why we seek to manifest it into being in so many ways.

We will always seek to create in so many ways of ourselves...it is really the nature of it.

Trust in process, is the guts of it, even as you seek, no matter what you seek.

Trusting in the unfolding of life in everyway of life.

Nicely said!

[Amilius777]

What brings you JOY is your life's purpose.

Joy is greater than happiness. Happiness can be superficial and full of money, cars, and houses. Joy is that feeling within that you are accomplished, alive, awaken, and full of awareness.

That is the Spirit moving inside of you.

Whatever profession or career or work or helpful hand that gives you Joy is your purpose.

Our being is Joy, bliss, - true happiness.

[JohnVajraUtah]

Yes, Joy is a Vajra qualitiy. It's one of the supreme qualities that can be cultivated directly with awareness and that cut through karma.