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sarek}--If we go back to the most basic of basic,
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HIi Sarek, "go back" could mean we micro-inward to to find the fundamental buidling blocks of nature/cosmos---
gravity imho ---, or we could mean "back" as in cosmological history.
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we can state that all that exists, equals nothing.
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I think this statement needs clarifying i.e. there are some ideas of our inflation/expansion Universe coming from-- i.e.being created by -- a negative
gravity or
negative gravitational spacetime as opposed to all other bosonic forces and fermionic matter being considered as
positive.
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It is the only origin which you do not need to explain.
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I'm of the oppinion, that true cosmological nothingness is best defined as non-occupied space, and true somethingness is called
occupied space, with the latter
occupied space being a finite set, that, at minimum, can never be less than a finite set of
gravitational spacetime, that eternally exists.
Ergo eternal existence makes question of cosmological origins moot.
However, there exists a 2ndary resultant set of fermionic matter and the other bosonic forces, that,
may come into, and out of existence, at times of initial set of circumstations ex inflation ideas, or the big bang aftewords etc...
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It does imply that for every quality or quantity, there has to be an exact opposite quality or quantity to balance it out,
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This again goes back to ideas of
gravity being
negative and all other bosons and fermions being
positive.
I take issue with that, insofar as, our finite set of
occupied space is not, and should not be, considered to be nothing. A true nothingness is only non-occupied space, that exists beyond/outside of, our finite set of
occupied space, that we may give diffferrent lablels/identifiers too ex
Cosmos/
Universe/
Multiverse/
Supraverse/God{
ess }/ etc....
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as everything added together will still have to add up to nothing.
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I've tried to be very clear in these regards over the years Sarek. I believe It Is the grandest illusion, however, your given "nothing" assessment has BANG! and PINCHES! to be accounted for.
We experience interference as
fermionic matter,
bosonic forces,
gravity and any combination thereof.
So tho intellectually we can say illusion and/or "nothing" we have our sensorial experiences that lead to mind/intellect explanations
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Among others, this would seem to imply that there is no time, at least no "net amount" of time.
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That appears to me, to have been the classical view by most scientists. It was only recently, with my delving into the multiverse stuff, that I came across some Lee Smolin article where he believes time is real. By real I suppose he means time is likened to a bosonic force, similar to the way gravity is considered to be an odd-bird-out,
spin-3, bosonic force
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Is it not possible to use this and approach the problem of multiverses from the other direction by saying that everything that is not fundamentally impossible HAS to exist?
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That sounds confusing to me. Ive been clear on this for some years, by stating this way, anything that does not violate our set, or a set of cosmic laws, may exist and probably will exist at some time or another.
You may then come back with some ideas proposed by both Lee Smolin( black hole ) and his opponents A. Linde( multiverse ) that, there can exist differrent sets of cosmic laws in differrent regions of our Universe.
If that were the case then we are not talking cosmic laws then, because
cosmic means the whole finite
Universe/
Cosmos/
Multiverse/
Supraverse/God{
ess } etc...
And please allow me to give you and example of what I mean Ex there exists only 5 regular/symmetrical polyhedra of Universe and that is cosmic law/principle/absolute truth.
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Because, as soon as something that CAN exist is found NOT to exist you just got yourself an initial question to answer. Which in turn means you still wouldn't have a theory of everything.
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Again, your statement is confusing to me. I refer you back to my givens before this latter comment of yours. We have via mind/inllectually identified cosmically absolute truths ergo inviolates.
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This would at the very least make sure a level 4 multiverse exists, but by extension seems to lead to the other modalities also existing in at least some shape or form.
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Level-4 is the hardest one for anyone to except as it is only a mind/intellect ergo
metaphysical-1 existence.
I have tried to be very clear on this point for years and do so repeatdly in all of my given cosmic heirarchies:
The primary cosmic duality is
metaphysical-1 mind/intellect concepts that are not space but rather concepts of space ergo they eternally exist as a complement to
occupied space i.e. we cannot have an occupied space that does not have and associated dynamic and static geometrical pattern/shape.
In the following cosmic hierarchy, please take note of the first dotted line that is there specifically to delinate metaphysical-1 mind/intellect(
above-the-line ) from non-occupied and
occupied space below-the-line.
1) Metaphysical-1 = mind/intellect and any concepts thereof ex concepts of space.
..1a) absolute truths ex cosmic laws/principles,
..1b) relative truths,
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spirit-of-intention--spirit-1.....
^--above ^------------------------------------v-below-v----------------
2) Metaphysical-2 = non-occupied space--macro-micro infinite
3)
Metaphysical-3 = quasi-physical
gravity{ mass-attraction }--spirit-3
...
occupied space finite...
4)
physical/energy = fermions, bosons and any combination thereof,
...
spirit-2....
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occupied space finite...
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"C"osmos/"U"niverse/"M"egaverse/"S"uperaverse/"M"ultiverse
.....^....inclusive of non-occupied space..^...
.....v....exclusive of non-occupied space..v...
Cosmos/Universe/Megaverse/Supraverse/Multiverse/God{ ess }/Great
Mama{ X }/Great
Spirit{ Y }/Great
Illusion{ )( }
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Observable
Cosmos/
Universe/
God{
ess }/
Great
Mama{ X }/
Great
Spirit{ Y }/
Great
Illusion{ )( }
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Local universe ex our personal/individual sphere-of-influence.
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(><) = gravity
(**) = complex bilateral
biological/soul
(*) = less complex
biological/soul
)( = illussionary past <)NOW(< future
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Spirit-3 >
Spirit-2 >
biological/soul >
Spirit-1 mind/intellect conceptualization of a finite
Universe, which we can conceptually place ourselves outside of that conceptual whole Universe and hold it in our conceptual hands as if we were a God{ ess }.
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Spirit-3 >
spirit-2 >
biological/soul >
spirit-1 > science( childs discover of gravity/falling ) > philosophy( IN and OUT ) > subjective application thereof via self-awareness, family, humanity, ecology, Earth, Cosmos ergo eternally existent, yet finite, integral whole.
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Max Tegmarks Physical Space--4 Levels Multiverse
Linear Mode
