God

Why do we choose to think about “god” as most of us put it? As far as we know, we are the only species, who acknowledge its existence. So does this mean it really exists? What exactly is god? Does it only exist because we in many ways created it? These are questions we've asked ourselves at one point. So what is the truth??


Notice how I don’t say, “He” or “she”. Ive noticed that lots of people use this wording. Which has made me think about “god” in general. If there is a “problem” with god in all forms, it’s the fact that we give it a human face, and attributes. I think by us doing that, we associate all of the problems of humanity, to “the divine creator”. I think its safe to say, in the respect of most belief systems most of them say “ god is infallible”. If that was true, then we would all be perfect, because everything was made in gods image ( according to the bible at least). In response to this, most people would respond “ well the bible and all the holy books were written by man”. That’s exactly my point here. Most people see god as a human form, or some being that governs everything, and created the universe because of a whim. I think this is far from the truth.

The bible and almost ALL religious texts, are based off of older religions, pagan beliefs, and amalgamation between beliefs . That includes Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and many more. I also believe, that some of the stories were passed on for thousands of years, before anything was even written, which leads to the conclusion that many of the things may have happened, in a natural sense. Were technically believing the same thing, as 2000 years ago, or even further back. Science has raised many questions, and answered many questions religion has asked. I think now is the time to take a step back, and look at things a bit differently.


Many religious texts aren't wrong. I do not want anyone to assume that I think this. They are essentially different views on how we should live our lives. Of course we would want to live in peace. Its only common sense, not to kill someone and to respect the earth. But would this be common sense if no religious texts were written? Would we just see them as an adaptation, or natural trait of our species? Would we even be close to where we are without it? It doesn't’t matter. We are where we are. Theres no point in dwelling in the past as such. We should learn from it and then evolve and expand our horizons.


So what exactly is god? I think, as the bible puts it, is the creator. We in some ways are made in its image. Each and every one of us has god in us, and in our hearts. We automatically anthropimorphize these thoughts, and give them human qualities. God is essentially the energy that bonds all life together. It is the source of the heart beat, the energy that made the universe, and us. God is life and all matter in existence. It created everything that ever is and was and will ever be. Essentially it can be regarded as the big bang ( the newest creation theory). IT is the vibration in all matter, it is the universe.


The universe is essentially a larger being of existence, in which we are some of the smallest, hyper macroscopic forms of energy in everything that exists. Beyond the quantum world. In a sense, the universe or god, is us zoomed way way way out just like out bodies are a smaller scale ( to us) version of the universe, complete with its on energy source, ways of food and transportation, atoms that looks like planets etc….. The map of the universe, looks remarkably like the humans nerve cells. Maybe god is just a smaller bit, in a larger scheme of things?
In a sense there are no words, ever in existence that can or will ever to be able to explain what we think of as god. In my opinion there are no words to explain anything in life or this universe or beyond. Words do a poor job of explaining things. How can you boil everything that is on this planet into one word: life? How can you explain the miracle of birth, with an uncouth example of trying to label such a thing?


Now, when I say “ choose to think about god”, I use the term loosely. I would never say we are forced to believe something, but when you are brought up around a certain belief system, the dds are this is going to effect your thinking in ways and development. IF your parents are socialist, the odds are your kids will be. IF their Hindu the odds are you’ll be Hindu. We've been learning the same things with small little variations in each generation, that some are amplified over a few hundred generations, and instead of Jesus, its Jesse, in stead of Mary, its Melissa. Instead of the Son of God Its God of the Sun.


I think that we use God as comfort. We live in a world, where in nature lie is a struggle to survive. This is reflected in the world we've created for ourselves, because that is essential what we've done: Create a world in which we thrive in, instead of thriving in the world in which we live in. Were bound to this planet, just like every other bit of life and matter on this planet. This planet is bound to the sun and galaxy and so on. All these connections are god. The fact we are literally debris left over from the creation of the universe, and everything in the universe shares the same molecules and atoms, energy and so forth, is god.

Because of this hectic world we live in, even say, 25 000, we've used god to comfort us, and console us, to guide us, lead us and even condemn us. The bible is right, god is in us, because we are god, as much as the sun, the earth or universe.

We've used god as a release, just as people use art or knitting, or sports. Maybe if we give some more credit to ourselves then an outside source, more of us would be happy? Or at least do more of the things we love to do.

I think we've givin a human face to god so we can blame some one, a scapegoat, because we are incapable of blaming ourselves for the bad things that have happened ( we didn’t understand why the sky was raining fire 10 000 years ago, now we see it as a comet, or celestial impact). Its always “ gods will.” or |”part of gods plan”. This is the way I look at it: Would you harm, or do even worse to your child? Or pets? Maybe even houseplants or garden? No. This is why I believe that god didn’t punish us for our ways. IF you created a whole entire universe would you want to get mad and kill off some of your creations? No. So why then, doest it say again and again in holy texts that God punishes us by floods and plagues, droughts and war ( heaven even went to war in many beliefs) Be cause we created god as we know it today. We've lost all touch of our spiritual selves, even though were over saturated with religion these days.


I don’t want any one to think that I believe god is evil or bad or negative. If it helps you through what ever you need it to, or serves its purpose then I would never want anyone to believe other wise. I do believe we are indeed one, collective consciouses organism , yet I think one of our main distinguishing traits is our individuality. Sure were all human, but were all different in some degree. This I believe is the cause of most of our problems, seeing as no one can agree on anything 100%.

So really who cares what religion you are. As long as your happy, and living life and loving each other why should it matter if its Vishnu, Lucifer, Jehovah or Voshanks of the planet X ( ya that’s made up)?We all have our own unique and beautiful interpretation of our surroundings, and god. Whats wrong with that? Most people would consider god to be what created us, usually we follow our parents practices, maybe with some alteration, but how many of us can nonjudgmental ponder upon what it is?

If you want my opinion, simply I think god is everything. It is everything which has always existed on one form or another even before the beginnings of our universe. Its in every one of our cells and atoms and in the energy we put out, it’s our heart beat, our air and our very being. IT is the universe, which is a conscious being beyond our comprehension.

Everything in the universe is reused, and is born and dies. Every bi t of matter inside of you was once a star, or planet, or meteorite, and further back, you exploded out during the big bang, as the base elements of life. So who's to say, our universe is a higher being, but that being is only as conscious of as much of it self, as we are of our bodies. Maybe, when a person dies a whole universe is destroyed,? Maybe when the Ova and sperm are united, the big bang happens and another universe is created?

I think Pink Floyd said it best :


“Who are you and who am I
To say we know the reason why?
Some are born; some men die
Beneath one infinite sky.
There'll be war, there'll be peace.
But everything one day will cease.
All the iron turned to rust;
All the proud men turned to dust.
And so all things, time will mend.
So this song will end.”
Pink Floyd - Childhoods End from the album “ Obscured by clouds”

From what I have experienced, God is unconditional Love. I refer to God as Male primarily because of what I have been taught over the years. Learned behavior. But from what I have read in the Bible, God made man in his image male and female. But I don't think that that refers to the physical man has a penis and a deep voice, woman has a vagina and a high pitched voice. I think it has something else to do with qualities that we attribute to men and women eg strength, compassion, intuition, etc...

Yeah, I do agree that many of us give god a human face but it's also learned behavior or...it could be imagination or trying to fit God into what we can comprehend with our human understanding. As a kid growing up in the Catholic Faith, I use to imagine God as being an adult man with a deep voice telling me what to do and what not to do and sending me to hell if I didn't listen. But then I would also see him as being a really loving person who took care of me in my time of need.

Anyways, I see what you're saying and yeah we do give God human characteristics very often.

I agree dynamist. it has to do with the seperate sides of the brain. The right side is concidered masculine, deals with logic math and agression and such. The left side is concidered feminine deal with the arts, " spiritual", emotions. The mayans thought it had something to do with the position of the earth. They predicted that what we know as the age of piecies, would be male domonated which meant war, greed and everything we see today.

Thanks for the input

[Spiritlite]

God is us and we are God.
Spiritlite

Originally Posted by Time

Why do we choose to think about “god” as most of us put it? As far as we know, we are the only species, who acknowledge its existence.

Speak for yourself.

I think its safe to say, in the respect of most belief systems most of them say “ god is infallible”.

It's safe to say many things, doesn't make it truth though does it.
Although there are rare occasions where words can hurt.
Uttering "it" in earshot of the the Knights who say Ni, is terribly painful for them.

If that was true, then we would all be perfect, because everything was made in gods image

Or that scripture can be interpreted this way...which completely changes it's meaning.
That everything was made in "god's" imagination, the image in "god's" mind/consciousness.
This then means that "god's" creation does not have to be perfect.
"God" can make anything anyway it chooses.

Its only common sense, not to kill someone and to respect the earth.

Then there seems to be a huge lack of common sense in humans over the centuries.

Words do a poor job of explaining things.

A craftsman never blames his/her tools.

I think that we use God as comfort.
Because of this hectic world we live in, even say, 25 000, we've used god to comfort us, and console us, to guide us, lead us and even condemn us.

Speak for yourself.

The bible is right, god is in us, because we are god, as much as the sun, the earth or universe.

Uh no...you believe the bible is right.

We've used god as a release, just as people use art or knitting, or sports.

Speak for yourself.

I think we've givin a human face to god so we can blame some one, a scapegoat, because we are incapable of blaming ourselves for the bad things that have happened

Speak for yourself.

IF you created a whole entire universe would you want to get mad and kill off some of your creations? No.

Can you prove that god does or doesn't kill it's creation.
Or, what do you base your conclusions on if not your beliefs/perception of "god."

So why then, doest it say again and again in holy texts that God punishes us by floods and plagues, droughts and war ( heaven even went to war in many beliefs) Be cause we created god as we know it today.

Or...god does punish us by floods and plagues, droughts and wars and some can't accept that.
Or...anyone can write or say anything they want and it's believing in it that gives it power.

We've lost all touch of our spiritual selves, even though were over saturated with religion these days.

Speak for yourself.

So really who cares what religion you are.

Apparently, millions of people.

Everything in the universe is reused, and is born and dies.

If this is the case, then birth and death are human constructs and nothing more and there is no actual birth or death.
Just one element on a continuous movement of change.

Hey carpark howve you been man ? Thanks for the comments

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I think its safe to say, in the respect of most belief systems most of them say “ god is infallible”.
It's safe to say many things, doesn't make it truth though does it.
Although there are rare occasions where words can hurt.
Uttering "it" in earshot of the the Knights who say Ni, is terribly painful for them."


I agree dude, but as well just because you think its not the truth, doesn't make it not true as well. This is one of my main points, things inn reality are probably far from what we perceive as reality. I Like the Monty Python quote:P

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If that was true, then we would all be perfect, because everything was made in gods image
Or that scripture can be interpreted this way...which completely changes it's meaning.
That everything was made in "god's" imagination, the image in "god's" mind/consciousness.
This then means that "god's" creation does not have to be perfect.
"God" can make anything anyway it chooses."

once again I agree with you there. If you believe in god in that way. The thing is, we all have our own interpretation of those stories. And truly even the stories we have in the modern religious texts, minus a few, are interpreted differently by each translator. The stories in the bible for instance have been known to be translated many times into many different languages. If you give the bible to a translator today, and tell him to write it back into its original language, it wouldn't resemble the original texts at al.
Its only common sense, not to kill someone and to respect the earth.
"Then there seems to be a huge lack of common sense in humans over the centuries"

That I agree with too. there have been many excuses and explanations for this, but there a few if any that actually put the blame on ourselves.


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Words do a poor job of explaining things.
A craftsman never blames his/her tools."

No, the craftsman blames some dude that lives in the clouds, with a big white beard, white robes, sandals and a bad temper.

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IF you created a whole entire universe would you want to get mad and kill off some of your creations? No.
Can you prove that god does or doesn't kill it's creation.
Or, what do you base your conclusions on if not your beliefs/perception of "god."

Once again, we all have our own interpretation. I can or cant prove anything, nor claim too. I am only giving my opinions based on information, and common sense. In other words my own interpretation.

If you look at is, as god is everything, then god does indeed kill his creations. Every time we cut down a tree or cull a cow or another human, god is killing his creations. How you interpret that statement, depends on how you view what god is. I believe god has as much control over us, as much as we have total control of our digestion, or how we can consciously control the rate at which mitochondrea give energy.

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Everything in the universe is reused, and is born and dies.
If this is the case, then birth and death are human constructs and nothing more and there is no actual birth or death.
Just one element on a continuous movement of change."

I agree with you there. What we perceive as death , is mealy waking up from sleeping i guess.
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There is this wonderful video on youtube GoD and DoG that pretty much sums up the idea that god is in everyone and everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY

I also like Jane Robert's interpretation of a devine source in her Education of Oversoul 7.

Originally Posted by Time

Hey carpark howve you been man ?

I have just been, I don't know how.

I agree dude, but as well just because you think its not the truth, doesn't make it not true as well.

I neither think it's true or false, I merely gave an alternative.

This is one of my main points, things inn reality are probably far from what we perceive as reality.

Ahh, then I did not pick this up at all. All I got was you claiming how things are.
Things like this...

The bible is right

once again I agree with you there. If you believe in god in that way.

I do not believe in god. Just offering an alternative.

The thing is, we all have our own interpretation of those stories. And truly even the stories we have in the modern religious texts, minus a few, are interpreted differently by each translator. The stories in the bible for instance have been known to be translated many times into many different languages. If you give the bible to a translator today, and tell him to write it back into its original language, it wouldn't resemble the original texts at al.

Then why claim...

The bible is right, god is in us, because we are god, as much as the sun, the earth or universe.

Then there seems to be a huge lack of common sense in humans over the centuries

That I agree with too.

So, if you agree that there is a huge lack of a particular sense in humanity, then it is illogical to classify it as commom sense, yes?
Common denotes a quality amongst many as opposed to the few.

there have been many excuses and explanations for this, but there a few if any that actually put the blame on ourselves.

Out of all my explorations, and I have only just begun exploring, haven't gone very far at all compared to what I see before me,
Out of what I have explored so far, only 1 thing has a blame philosophy and that's the christian bible.
I have not read other religious texts and I am not going to assume they too have a blame philosophy.
All the other things I have come across are self responsible philosophies.
So how you percieve there are next to no things out there that teach self responsibility...well, that's worth a gander.

A craftsman never blames his/her tools.

No, the craftsman blames some dude that lives in the clouds, with a big white beard, white robes, sandals and a bad temper.

1: I have no idea why you fixate on religious doctrine and beliefs.
This has nothing to do with your perception of the effectiveness of words.
Religious and non religious people use words.
What has a belief in god got to do with one's skill of using words to convey one's meaning when communicating with others?
None that I can see.
The only thing I can think of is you have come across many people who proclaim, "Thank god you understand what I'm saying", or "It's god's fault you don't understand what I'm saying", type things.
My advice, leave town, find a less wacky place to live ~smiles~

2: Speaking specifically about the effectiveness of words.(without god/religion in the equations)
A craftsman: A creator of great skill.
Now if a person is this, in that they have developed great skill over many years,
they are not going to blame anyone but themself if they do not express themself adequately.
One does not become a craftman by blaming others. It's impossible.
Peter Parker's uncle has it the wrong way round.
It's not, "With great power comes great responsibility"
It's, with great responsibility comes great power.

As soon as one blames another, growth/learning/healing cannot occur.
So, in regards to blaming language as the reason for ineffective communication, a craftman does not blame his/her tools.

However, a non craftsman person who uses language is free to blame anything they choose, but a craftsman, no.
Because a craftsman has learnt of the value and quaility of language.

(Original Statement)IF you created a whole entire universe would you want to get mad and kill off some of your creations? No.

Once again, we all have our own interpretation.

Going by your OS(up there), you are asking another(you)if they were god, would they kill their creation.
They don't get to answer and you answer for them.
Where does other's interpretations come into all that? It doesn't.
You are claiming your interpretation is common, IE the same as everyone else's.
You are speaking for others because it appears you believe your interpretation/perception is common amongst all(or most).

I can or cant prove anything, nor claim too. I am only giving my opinions based on information, and common sense. In other words my own interpretation.

How do you know it's common sense? Have you asked others their opinions and ideas on the subject?
And you would have to ask quite a few million people to have the numbers to be able to justify the classification of common.

If you look at is, as god is everything, then god does indeed kill his creations.

But you also agreed that...

If this is the case, then birth and death are human constructs and nothing more and there is no actual birth or death.
Just one element on a continuous movement of change.

I agree with you there. What we perceive as death , is mealy waking up from sleeping i guess.

Sleep/wake, birth/death. Very similar.
I was looking along the lines of H2O as it transitions from ice to water to steam.

A reminder: I am in no way challenging your beliefs/opinions/perception/etc. I have nothing to challenge with...well, according to my current self perception.
I am simply exploring them.

Nope i would never expect you too be outright challenging.

In responce to the " bible is right" quote:

I am admitingly vauge sometimes. I meant that the following statement "god is in us..." is correct, as well as the fact that many other belif systems share this veiw. I should hav ebeen more clear on that statement. But i do try not to speak in definates, becasue as you and me agreed; there are many ways to interperate things. I did use " I think" or " i believe", or alluded to somethings as well.

As far as words go, im not bashing them, theyve accomolished alot for our species. I was mearly stating that they dont give life justice. Think of some statements in forums. it is very very easy to mistake someone for being serious abour a resoponce, and have it taken as being anger, and its easy to take jokes the wrong way, since the whole emotional part is out of the picture.

I never have a problem with any responses to my threads dude. I appreciate all inupt

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my question is why is there at all a need to believe in the existence of god?