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Old 13-06-2011, 02:57 AM
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The Dangers of Astral Plane Travel

The Dangers of Astral Plane Travel

We are speaking of astral travel here, not astral projection.
Astral travel is traveling upon the astral plane....astral projection is traveling in our astral body, upon the physical plane...big diff.
First consider what the astral plane is….it could be called the plane of the roots of the desire nature. This is where we encounter heavens…and hells, constructs of souls, and remnants of our own construct which we have dropped off as we have evolved beyond clinging to them. So understand for someone on the spiritual path….and realize that this path begins on the first day that we separated off… but for the person on the return journey of the spiritual path, who has completed their separate individual creation and is now motivated towards unity with Source…on the astral plane there is nothing of any use……HOWEVER, and this is a big however, passing through the astral plane….offers great advantage.
OK, so there are some main LAWs on the astral plane that I can think of off hand, and one is….where you place your attention….you will go. So, as I have said there is nothing of use, and only detriment upon the astral plane it must be understood that the first rule for the Traveler who is seeking spiritual advancement…there is ONE RULE of the astral plane, and this is…. DON'T GO ANYWHERE THERE. But focus on the Light on the other side.
Now the reason there is “Danger” is that there is first as I said the law that states where we put our attention, we will go…and BE…then there is another law, it is related to Time in our realm, but there is no time on the astral plane, but rather what I call momentum. Now as I have said there are heavens and hells. And other constructs…all of these have momentum, and this momentum I can best describe by comparing it to an undertow in the ocean, or a fast moving current in a river. Basically where we put our attention, we will be pulled into. Now it might seem a dandy idea to pull into some heaven realm… However as there is no time, and there is this momentum…and also something else happens that is a quality of the astral plane that I call magnetism. You must understand that not everything that exists upon the astral plane is really real, it is most often a construct that has been built upon desire and all it’s buddies like fear, lust , envy etc. And the creations here are created upon these qualities and are unified by what I call magnetism which in the physical realm manifests as gravity. So, because of this quality, and because generally where a person is drawn , or puts their attention upon the astral plane is based in their own desire nature…they are pre-magnetized so to speak to whatever realm they pull in to..and once in that realm…and here is the dangerous part….that realms magnetism will further magnetize them….. (I’m sorry about the language here, I am only speaking from experience, have never read much on the subject, as every time I have started, I realized it was just jive someone was puttin out to bolster their ego, and had no relationship to the truth…so this language I use may seem…. Insufficient. But here is the deal. If you put your attention on the realms out there, you will be pulled in, and magnetized to that realm….virtually losing your sense of self here in the world… Also we run into the constructs of our “dearly departed” and this can side track us, as we believe that these are the spirits of our loved ones with messages for us. But these are not spirits, but constructs of spirits…like a thrown off energetic replica. This is not to discount that there is a possibility of contacting the spirits of our dearly departed, but they are not on the astral plane..they are on the other side of the astral plane…. At the true seekers destination. Another problem we encounter is that as I mentioned there is the residue of our own past discarded pieces of construct out there…crap we’ve evolved beyond through a lot of soul work, yet by the law, if you look at it…you will pull it back to yourself, essentially de evolving.
So what purpose is there for the genuine seeker of…. Enlightenment upon the astral plane…. Well, none…but if we can pass through the astral plane, and not waver, not put our attention upon one single thing there except the pinprick of light we see in the distance….. then by Law we are drawn to that Light. Now in this there is unbelievable benefit. First just by the act of passing through this desire realm without being trapped…. And going into the Light… what happens is that …hmmm… those parts of our self which were added through desire…. Are fed with this Light, and upon this they are diminished in their astral nature….. they cease to control us. We are being enlightened. Now once you make it through the astral plane and to this place I call the White Hall….then there is a new rule. Stay as long as possible. Here the difficulty is that you have lost reference points…you have no body, not even the astral body which is a comfort in it’s familiarity. So you mostly cease to exist except for just a little seed of you that carries on. Now the longer you stay in the Light, the more your “lower” astral nature is equalized by this light, it loses it power over you.
So to summarize:
1.There is no benefit upon the astral plane for the seeker who is Returning to source…
2. There are the dangers inherent in the laws there of attention, magnetism, and momentum. We can become lost within desire realms and virtually lose ourselves…
(OH, and because of the lack of time there it is possible to spend what seems an Eternity…in heaven and hell constructs)
and something else I didn’t mention…even if you cheat the rules to pull into some heaven realm, it sets up a “habit” of “pulling in”. This is sort of hard to explain, but even if you cheat to get a little (eternity) of heaven, once you pull out ( and this term is very relevant…pull out) it sets this habit for your astral body and even if you realized upon spending this eternity (which by the way upon returning if you are so lucky to this realm could have only been a matter of minutes or even seconds)… it is very probable you’ll “pull into” whatever the next nearest realm out there is…and this could be a Hell realm where you get to spend an eternity…. (which here could be 30 seconds)…but make no mistake, there it can be an eternity…in hell, no fun.
3. The only purpose for the aspirant of the astral plane is as a place to “pass through” without stopping, to get to the Light on the other side…where we stay as long as we can handle being….Nothing and Everything.
But here is the rub. This is the astral plane we’re talking about…the plane of the roots of desire, the place where you can have anything you desire, the place where all your dreams can come to you…and all your hells, and constructs of loved ones who have pretty much all the qualities of the real thing….it is very alluring. Alluring is it’s nature. Very few humans can make the trip through without being sidetracked. If one does not have a very powerful soul to travel with them and keep them in line…well good freakin luck. Me, I had the best folks with me, teachers of the highest light, and I knew the rules…. But I cheated…. And I got totally lost in a world where I was as real as I am here….only nothing like I am here. And I totally forgot I had a body sittin back there in Lotus position…. I was gone John and happily checkin out some 16th century babe for future conquest….When my Teachers pulled me out…. But that “habit” I mentioned pulled me into the next one….they pulled me out again, and the third one was really a trip, I used the magnetism like maybe a space ship would use the gravity of a planet to do this slingshot thing and keep from pullin in.
Then I went to the White Hall and stayed as long as I could.

Of course this is the beginning of a whole new adventure cuz spending time in the Light as I said changes you, but not on every level….so there can be difficulties dealing with the fact that everytime you come back you are a totally different person than when you went in… better, more enlightened…. But so different that your loved ones will look at you like,”who is this dude”….and you yourself will suddenly have all those dark areas in your being that have been illuminated, to reconcile yourself with… But if you have good teachers they’ll tell you the key to dealing with this…
Anyway I realize this is probably not worded to best explain, but any specific questions I’d be glad to answer.
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Old 13-06-2011, 03:17 PM
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I've skimmed what you said and it has potential to be interesting, but without paragraphs it's just difficult to read.
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Old 13-06-2011, 05:19 PM
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The first thing that came to my mind when I read the beginning was the movie Inception with the fact that we can create our own reality/realm if we think it, but its not a good thing right?? It was diffcult to read but very interesting passage!
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Old 13-06-2011, 06:43 PM
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Well we are creating our reality/realm every day...but in regards to the astral plane there seem to be certain global heaven and hells, but within whichever we gravitate towards..... just as in this reality, the Reality that presents itself is Magnetized to our "description". It's not really a matter of good or bad, just what is best for our growth at whatever stage we are at. Young souls require time in the Realms.... but as we get older we learn that like this Reality here, they are just projections.... a step removed from the Essence which we eventually come to seek. This is why my Teachers stressed the importance of one pointed attention towards the Light. I don't know if I mentioned it here..... but I did cheat one time....pulled into some astral worlds...this is where I learned about the Law of Momentum..... Pretty scary really, if my teachers hadn't been there to pull me out, I have no idea what would have happened.... but as I say, time in those realms is way different than time here....in fact I don't call it time, but rather momentum... We don't have TV, but on Friday nights (movie night) before we go to Market on Saturday to sell our wares we watch Netflix on our computer.... I'll see if I can find the movie Inception....
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:46 PM
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How exactly did you come to these "dangers"?

I ask because I can guarantee that you and I explore the non-physical with vastly different Intent.

I can say, unequivocally, that none of your "dangers" apply to me, nor do I think they apply to anyone else who doesn't already believe that they do. The only dangers are the ones you create for yourself and even then, you're never in any REAL (physical) danger.

Anyway, I digress... I just wanted to get that out there.
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Old 13-06-2011, 09:16 PM
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Spiritual Correspondence Is Better & Safer Than Astral Travel/Projection

Astral travel AND astral projection are inherently dangerous. The reason for this is because they both entail dimensions that are just above the physical plane. The dimensions of energy with which the spiritually corrupt reside. To truly go to a spiritual plane, one must be completely free of the body and significantly raise one's vibration in The Light, above the lower regions.

So what I have suggested to people over the years is to completely avoid astral travel/projection.

If you want to gain spiritual awareness, insightful visions, etc., do so through Spiritual Correspondence with those who are already on a higher plane in The Light. This, in contrast to astral travel/projection, allows one a safer route to gain higher awareness.
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Old 13-06-2011, 09:33 PM
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You will never convince people to stop astral traveling. I have never seen anything bad and to be honest I do not think my vibrational level is high. I do have negative thoughts which I must make an effort to stop it. Overall I am a happy easy going person. I think bad things can happen if you are afraid but it will not hurt you.
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Old 13-06-2011, 11:01 PM
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Hi Jeff4freedom,

I understand what you're teaching (I assume), and you're saying to move on, don't get stuck in the details. Details being all these 'constructs'.
To me you have (astrologically speaking) a Sagittarian teaching, which is to shoot for the big picture, the highest spiritual goal, go high and don't get stuck in the details.
But (always a but, because we are fine tuning ourselves here), you can't ignore the details. If you do, you'll get to your destination and have no idea how you did it, and that's whats making you get stuck - you're like a puppet being manipulated by things you don't understand, driven from Heaven to Hell, with no idea you're there or how to get out.

The best thing to do, is keep the big picture in mind (as you do so well), but don't forget to look at the details. Don't be afraid of 'desires' - they are not evil and are not the thing that's holding you or anyone back, it's the non understanding of them that holds us back.

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Old 14-06-2011, 02:43 AM
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Quote:
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Astral travel AND astral projection are inherently dangerous. The reason for this is because they both entail dimensions that are just above the physical plane. The dimensions of energy with which the spiritually corrupt reside. To truly go to a spiritual plane, one must be completely free of the body and significantly raise one's vibration in The Light, above the lower regions.
Why do you feel that makes it "inherently dangerous"?
Are you just parroting things told to you by others? Or do you actually have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE about anything dangerous regarding projection?

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So what I have suggested to people over the years is to completely avoid astral travel/projection.
Burying your head in the sand never helps. :)

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If you want to gain spiritual awareness, insightful visions, etc., do so through Spiritual Correspondence with those who are already on a higher plane in The Light. This, in contrast to astral travel/projection, allows one a safer route to gain higher awareness.
You've got a very... mystical outlook on these things. ;)
I prefer to look ahead and not behind... behind is where we get all these age-old ideas of this stuff being 'dangerous'. It was actually a means of fear to keep people away from it, not because it's "inherently dangerous", but because this is a good way to grow spiritually... and honestly, it's easier to control the ignorant.

Teach people to project with hope and love... don't perpetuate the cycle of fear.

I've been projecting unknowingly most of my life and I've never come across any "dangers". I *REFUSE* to believe I'm anyone special in that regards.
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Old 14-06-2011, 03:59 AM
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OK, looks like we need to look at the bigger picture Here.
Xanth:
"How exactly did you come to these "dangers"?

I ask because I can guarantee that you and I explore the non-physical with vastly different Intent.

I can say, unequivocally, that none of your "dangers" apply to me, nor do I think they apply to anyone else who doesn't already believe that they do. The only dangers are the ones you create for yourself and even then, you're never in any REAL (physical) danger."

Jeff: Danger of course is in the eye of the beholder: For one on the first turn of the wheel, where ego is still ruler the astral plane really does not have the "Dangers" it does for the one on the Return spin. In fact for those still collecting their ego's description (the culmination of the first turn)..... it can add a lot of ****, really fast....
I'm very interested in your experience Xanth on the astral plane..... you see for me the intention...of Everything, is Union. For those on the first turn...it could be called, Unique Expression. It seems you are still seeking this unique expression....if so, you don't have what I consider to be dangers. # 1. Our own construct, which shadows us there, and if we inadvertently look at it, we will draw back all the **** we have evolved beyond. (**** is a judgment term I admit, you might just consider that Stuff, to be treasures... And this is a necessary part of evolution. However those who are on the return turn ....their task is relinquishing all those "treasures". The astral plane could be called, as I said, the plane of the Roots of Desire. Now the first turn of the Wheel for all of us, that Satanic part of our journey...where we live to Collect and define ourselves within a duality of Desire....and Fear. This is a part none of us get to pass, and so often "spiritual" folks condemn the ego.....but here's the Truth of that. The Ego, and the soul are the same thing, only at different places on the Wheel. So, Xanth is correct for him, and all those still collecting the only harm done really is ...minor or major "psychological problems... To condemn the Satanic Ego is to condemn the first part of all of our Journeys...and the journey's of most our fellow man, like maybe our friend Xanth here.

But for those on the return path, where the Journey is no longer one of collecting the Definition of Who We Are as a human through our dualistic chasing of desire...and running from and hiding from what we fear. , but rather we are Facing all those dualistic judgments that had defined us, facing it with Love....and dumping it. And the construct has this ...what I call, shedded snake skin, which is all the recent Judgments/definitions based in these judgments that we have transcended....and by simply looking at it, we draw that "skin" back into our selves....and actually devolve..... not an easy task this de evolution, but this is the means, and a good one to avoid. Now it doesn't really matter to Xanth, his construct is still forming....
Also there, as I maybe did not go into, is the fact that there is nothing "spiritual" to be gained there...Because being the realm of the roots of Desire, it is still tied to the duality...that does not exist. If we define Spiritual" as maybe seeking freedom from Illusion and glamour, and dwelling in what IS, and not what we THINK is.... then collecting "treasures" to ourselves, and shunning what does not fit into our definition of "what we want and Like".... is pretty much how we'd define just that Lack of Freedom we are seeking. For us who are no longer collecting..... the astral plane serves only in one way..... as that which we must pass beyond, without being sidetracked by the Illusion and glamour that exist there....all around us.
You see, this is the difference between folks on the first turn of the wheel..... and those on the return turn of the wheel.
Both are correct.
The astral plane does have very extreme hazards to the soul returning home....although it also offers the potential for hyper evolution if the person can follow the rules, and not play there...but one pointedly focused on the Light on the other side.... But as I said this should not be undertaken without Guides, and when a person is ready, the guides will be there.

Now for the folks motivated by that stage of the soul we've called Ego, the astral plane is a freakin playground. They also have dangers, but that is a relative term, just like sanity. And as I said, It's like the way the "Law of Attraction" has been put out. Most of what I've seen is written by those still ruled by ego, it's all about gettin the stuff, collecting the definition..... And sadly they leave out parts of the Law that can really cost you time..... it's like that with Astral Projection.

There are two camps,
1.Those motivated by the desire for experience,
for the desire to collect things into their definition of themselves,
to become MORE.
For them the Astral Plane is just like another wild drug like trip.

2: The second camp does not collect, it returns what it has collected (allowing those collected things to become what they really are once again). And rather this camp does not seek to define itself, but rather remove the definition, and become less of a Creation until finally they become One with it ALL. (Upon returning to their Source).

So in summation I guess what I'm saying is.... For some it's not as dangerous as others... I have a bad habit of when I'm on these "spiritual" forums falling back to the old Mindset, that it's all about the Return Trip....So when I speak and write things here, it is speaking to those on the return trip. So to those going the other way, my words are useless, and to them not valid.

So I'd have to say, if you don't know for sure just where you sit on the Wheel of Life.... best not to go messin around on the astral plane.
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