Do people that have achieved nonduality have social needs?

Do people that have achieved nonduality have social needs?

Thanks for your help :)

[Miss Hepburn]

Let's see if one turns up that has ''achieved'' non-duality.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by traceyacey12

Do people that have achieved nonduality have social needs?

Thanks for your help :)

At the very basic level every one is non-dual e.g. At night in sleep one is alone and there is no world yet very blissful refreshing experience . And when one awakes in the morning , full world comes alive with all its multiple dualities . So regardless of one's belief system one is non-dual by this basic criteria.

As every individual who is non-dual also has social needs , I dont see any reason non-dual person may not have social needs . Further non-duality is not negation of duality . It is recognition & appreciation of non-duality in seeming first-hand superficial duality . Yet the nature of social needs , its diversity , its intensity etc may differ on the person to person .

Philosophically speaking in the Advaita tradition God alone Is. Liberation via Realization of That truth obviates otherness and its inherent suffering so Enlightenment, Liberation, Moksha, whatever obviates social needs.

In other words if You alone Are then nothing else is required because there is nothing else aside from You.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

And when one awakes in the morning

Before awakening and after awakening = duality.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Philosophically...
... You.

What if you, or God is a duality?

Then would it still be called advaita?

Originally Posted by traceyacey12

Do people that have achieved nonduality have social needs?

Non-Duality is not something you need to achieve, it's something you already are/embody. Non-Duality doesn't bring social needs, they were already there and it may well be the social needs - or the underlying personality issues - that have driven the non-Duality. Or the declaration of it.

How do you identify who has or has not 'achieved' non-Duality? How do people identify if they have? "I am non-Dual is ego."

One poster declared that they wouldn't talk to me because I was Dual and they were non-Dual, and they couldn't communicate with Dual people.

[Unseeking Seeker]

My take on this:

Dual state
Nondual state

The former is where we are, feeling separate from other objects (thought too an object)

Then, as an intermediate layer, we have interconnectedness, feeling one with universal consciousness (but identity is retained) - this includes the void experience

The nondual state of samadhi is another matter. I believe there are several types of samadhi. From direct experience, what I can share is, is that we disappear, become an attribute of God consciousness (if the word ‘God’ is inconvenient, let’s just say, a singularity). In my case it was bliss, possibly because the bliss current is always humming within 24x7 in the body or dual state (I experience bliss, hence two).

Time disappears. Space disappears. We become bliss itself, a flame in renewal. One without a second.

There is no way to exit Samadhi simply because no one is there. If there was, it would be duality. Yet, through an unknown mechanism, we ‘return’ to body consciousness. (Please use words consciousness and awareness interchangeably for this post).

There were two other experiences ~ one was consciousness expanding to contain the universe within and the second was piggyback riding God’s breath as in-dwelling in all forms, both these experiences possibly somewhere between interconnectedness and true oneness.

Edit: Oh, about social needs, we’re back in duality to tell the tale, so while we’re here, sure, we engage in all flavours offered.

[hazada guess]

I agree Unseeking Seeker. That is what I was trying to say in another thread,but for some reason it got deleted.

[movingalways]

Once one has realized the nondual nature of reality, one ceases to think of themselves in terms of having needs, social or otherwise because for the nondual realized, thoughts and actions are absolute, that is, there is no gap between the observer and the observed wherein the thought of needing something or someone can arise. Which is also why for the absolute realized, the reasoning of a duality is considered to be a temporary intellectual seduction or spellbinding.