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Old 04-12-2016, 02:38 AM
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Greetings my fellow Christian brothers and sisters,

I love to speak the truth and I have very serious questions that I think many believers would like to know the answer to. Can you tell me please why does God's word promise so much and yet fulfils so very little to nothing in the lives of many devout Christians, in terms of, for example: long life, health, peace, joy and happiness, etc? Instead, I've seen many atheists who live very healthy, prosperous and happy lives and they obviously don't believe in keeping God's commandments. Doesn't the Bible lose credibility in this way? Isn't this part of the reason why many people don't take God, His commandments or the Bible seriously?

In other words, why do not all devout Christians live long lives and have optimum health as countless scriptures promise, such as: Psalms 84; 90, 91; 103; Pr 10:27, etc?

There are many scriptures about healing:

Exodus 15:26 - “…I am the Lord who heals you.”

The scripture in John 10:10: states: "... I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." Doesn't this scripture mean that God desires for us faithful Christians to be in optimum health? Only when someone is healthy can he or she have life to the full. Not when our bodies are incapacitated or debilitated by pain, sickness or disease.

Psalms 103:2-3 - Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.

The verse in Proverbs 4:22 refers to God's word and states: "for they are life to those who find them and health to one’s whole body."

Many other scriptures state that God wants us healed and whole:

For example: Isaiah 53:5 - But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

Jeremiah 30:17 - “I will give you back your health and heal your wounds,” says the Lord.

1 Peter 2:24 - "He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

Romans 8:11 - And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Romans 8:32 - He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

There are many examples of miracles and healings as recorded in the bible. Here are just a few scriptural examples: Leper in Galilee (Mt 8:1-4); Paralytic (palsy) at Capernaum (Mt 9:2-8); Man with a withered hand in Galilee possibly Capernaum (Mt 12:10-13); Women with issue of blood (hemorrhaging) healed at Capernaum during first preaching tour through Galilee (Mt 9:20-22); Two blind men at Capernaum (on the northern shore of the Sea of Galilee) (Mt 9:27-31); Two Blind Men Departing Jericho (20:29-34), Jesus raises a dead girl and heals a sick woman (Mk 5:21-43); and many others as we read in: Mt 4:23-24; Mt 8:5–7, 16-17; Mt 9:6-7; Mt 15:30; Mt 20:34; Mk 3:1-5; Mk 5:25-29; Mk 10:49-52; Lk 4:40; Lk 6:19; Lk 7:12-15; Lk 13:11-13; Jn 5:5-9; Ac 10:38, etc.

Psalm 107:19–20 - “Lord, help!” they cried in their trouble, and He saved them from their distress. He sent out His word and healed them, snatching them from the door of death.

Psalm 91:3 - For He will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease.

3 John 1:2 - Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.

Here is another example: Psalm 91: Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread on the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. “Because he loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.”

The promise of blessings, including: peace, protection, happiness, healing, long-life and prosperity is not just in the Old Testament(Ex 20:12; Dt 5:16; Ps 34:12-16; Pr 22:9), but reaffirmed in the New Testament (2 Cor 9:10; Eph 6:2-3; 1 Pe 3:9-10).

Innumerable scriptures promise peace, joy, strength, protection, provision and prosperity. Here are just a few:

Ro 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ps 1:1-3 - Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.

Ps 4:8 - In peace I will lie down and sleep, for you alone, Lord, make me dwell in safety.

Ps 12:5 - “Because the poor are plundered and the needy groan, I will now arise,” says the Lord. “I will protect them from those who malign them.”

Ps 16:11 - You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

Ps 29:11 - The Lord gives strength to his people; the Lord blesses his people with peace.

Ps 46:1 - God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.

Psalm 105:37 - He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none feeble among His tribes.

Ps 119:165 - Great peace have those who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble.

Ps 138:7 - Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life. You stretch out your hand against the anger of my foes; with your right hand you save me.

Pr 10:22 - The blessing of the Lord makes one rich, and He adds no sorrow with it.

Pr 22:9 - The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor.

Is 32:17 - The fruit of that righteousness will be peace; its effect will be quietness and confidence forever.

Is 41:10 - So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Jer 17:8 - They will be like a tree planted by the water that sends out its roots by the stream. It does not fear when heat comes; its leaves are always green. It has no worries in a year of drought and never fails to bear fruit.”

Php 4:7 - And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Php 4:19 - And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

Ro 15:13 - May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 9:8 - And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

2 Cor 9:10 - Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.

2 Thess 3:3 - But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.


My mother and I both repented, lived holy lives, with clean hands and pure hearts. God was first love and first priority. We prayed for at least 3 hours each and every day, and studied the Bible for at least 1 hour every day. Prayer was the very first thing in the morning. Our faith was very strong. We strove to obey God's commandments, including keeping the Sabbath day holy. We attended Sabbath services. We served God. Preached the true gospel. We both practiced abstinence, self-sacrifice and self-discipline, so we didn't spend money on holidays, restaurants or other pleasures. We were truly faithful disciples of Christ, by striving to live according to His word. Out of the little that we had, we donated money to charities and helped homeless people. We were never ever involved in occultism. My mother was totally faithful to my father in marriage, although he was very abusive towards her. Although, she forgave him many times, the abuse didn't stop. On the contrary, the more she forgave, the worse the abuse became. It reached a point where she had no choice but to divorce him. From then on, my mother never remarried. She lived the life of a widow for twenty years. We lived a very modest and quiet life. We practiced celibacy and sexual abstinence. Our lives resembled those of nuns. My mother was very protective of me and she taught me to pray since I was two years of age. While parents usually read fairy tale stories to their children, I slept with the Bible under my pillow, which I took with me to the private school that my mother enrolled me in, and I learned about God. We put so much faith and trust in God and I feel like He has really let us down.

The verses in Psalm 103:1-5 state: "Praise the Lord, my soul; all my inmost being, praise his holy name. Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits—who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion, who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s. The Lord works righteousness and justice for all the oppressed."

My mother suffered from colorectal cancer which spread to her liver and kidneys, heart failure, pulmonary edema and anaemia, including numerous other medical issues. I was completely shocked, devastated and heartbroken when my mother passed away at an early age, and I read her long medical report, which went on and on. She was in terrible pain and had near fatal falls on a few occasions. Despite praying to God continuously, from early morning until late at night, with fasting and begging for my mother to be healed, my prayers returned unanswered. The more I prayed and fasted, the worse her health became. It deteriorated so much that she was bed-ridden for one year and couldn't see the light of day. None of these illnesses run on my mother's side of the family. We both took care of our health by drinking fruit and vegetable juices, exercising and more importantly, absolutely NO smoking, drugs or alcohol. While other people were celebrating Mother's Day with gifts like cakes, chocolates and flowers, as well as dining with their mothers at restaurants or taking them on luxury cruises, my mother was in the morgue awaiting cremation.

God's people are plagued by an entire series of extremely serious illnesses—including a number of leading people directly involved in the work. During the 1980's there was a huge number of ministers wives that were stricken. It has always been a fact that wives of so many ministers and church leaders have been stricken by cancer.

In 2016, Cornerstone Contact Centre pastor Don Cameron died at the age of 45 years, after a battle with cancer.

Jeffery Largent, pastor of Culver flock passed away in 2016, at the age of 59 years, after his second battle with cancer.

Church of the Highlands Greystone Campus Pastor Keith Lindsey passed away in 2016 after a lengthy battle with cancer.

Kara Tippetts, wife of PCA church pastor Jason Tippetts of Westside Church, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, is a devout Christian mother of four, who had stage-four breast cancer and passed away at the age of 38, in 2015, after a long battle.

In 2014, Steve Hill, the evangelist of the Brownsville Revival, passed away at his Alabama home Sunday after fighting a long battle with cancer. He was 60 years old.

LaKisha died in 2014, at the age of 40 after an 18-month battle with breast cancer. She was the wife of Pastor Breonus Mitchell of Greater Grace Temple Community Church.

A Wesleyan pastor, Daniel “Danny” Eiler, age 30, passed away in 2014, after battling leukemia. He served as senior pastor of The Springs Community Church in Ringgold, Georgia.

David Landrith, senior pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church in Hendersonville, died at age 51. Landrith was diagnosed with an extremely rare and aggressive form of cancer known as colorectal melanoma in 2013.

In 2009, founder and pastor of Victory Christian Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Billy Joe Daugherty's battle with cancer took a turn for the worse as he fought an infection at Houston's M.D. Anderson Hospital. He passed away at the age of 57 years.

The list goes on and on ...

Living Church of God - Joplin, Missouri pastor Karl Beyersdorfer killed himself on 5/27/2016.

Others who committed suicide in the Worldwide Church of God are mentioned in the below article: hwarmstrong.com/suicide-statistics

The following verses refer to believers in Christ Jesus:

Mark 16:17-18 - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

The following link displays an article on miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves:

bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal

The list goes on and on.

The verse in Exodus 20:12 states: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you. It is reaffirmed in the New Testament in: Ephesians 6:2-3 - “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—“so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

During my lifetime, I've seen mothers who honoured their parents and yet lived short lives, like my mother who honored both her parents and grandparents. On the other hand, mothers who dishonoured their parents and yet lived to ripe old ages of over 80 years of age. There are even criminals, such as serial killers, rapists and paedophiles who live long lives on the earth. While at the same time, a shocking number of innocent people are sentenced to death. One of the ways in which we honor our parents is by having a clean criminal record.

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, "tells you that a surprising number of innocent people are sentenced to death," Samuel R. Gross, the lead author, said in an interview with Newsweek. "It tells you that a lot of them haven't been exonerated. Some of them no doubt have been executed." The headline on newsweek.com is "One in 25 sentenced to death in the U.S. is innocent, study claims."

Do all these convicted criminals deserve to live and my mother who was a godly, holy, righteous mother deserve to die, along with all these other devout Christians?

Charles Manson, the convicted American serial killer is still alive today at the age of 82 years. Charles Albright, known as the eyeball killer, is 83 years. The nurse Jane Toppan, a serial killer, lived to be 81 years of age. Edward Theodore Gein was an American murderer and body snatcher. He died at the age of 78 years. Ian Brady, the child killer is 78 years. Robert Hansen, the serial killer died at the age of 75 years. Dennis Rader is 71 years of age. Phillip Jablonski, another serial killer is 70 years of age, and the list goes on and on. Incarcerated criminals enjoy the fresh air and sunshine with fitness and recreational activities, including sports, gym, pool tables and so forth. These prisons are more like holiday resorts.

Charles Manson, the ringleader of the killer cult still remains unrepentant even at the ripe old age of 82 years, just like many other criminals. I'm puzzled as to why God allowed all these criminals to live long lives. Was He waiting for them to turn to Him and repent? But God has foreknowledge. We find instead, that they committed more and more crimes, while growing old without any sign of remorse?

Psalm 91:16 states: "With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.” This verse is supposed to be referring to devout believers. Instead, we see that the criminals are the ones who are living long lives. Why would God want to satisfy scum of the earth with long lives?

If God made us for a reason and that is to begin a relationship with, serve and obey Him, then why doesn't He grant long lives to those devout Christians who do good deeds. It is God who decides when we are born and how long we live according to:

Psalm 139:16: "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

God is the one who planned the days of our lives in advance, choosing the exact time of our birth and death. This goes for criminals too, as well as many famous atheists who have lived to ripe old ages including: Diana Athill (99), Katharine Hepburn (96), Baba Amte (94), Uri Avnery (93), Julius Axelrod (92), Marlene Dietrich (91), Kai Nielsen (90), Henry Burstow (90), Jorge Amado (89), Eric Ambler (89), Tom Lehrer (88), James Randi (88), Paul Kurtz (87), Edward O. Wilson (87), Larry Adler (87), Mary Adams (86), Jemima Blackburn (86), Michael Martin (84), Philip Roth (83), Steven Weinberg (83), Victor Stenger (81), Robert Altman (81), Woody Allen (81), and many others.

The verse in Isaiah 30:18 states that the Lord is a God of justice. "Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; therefore he will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him!" Where is the justice? I'm absolutely appalled and disgusted by the injustice not only in the Christian community, but in the world today. I believe these injustices promote and encourage evil all the more.

Many devout believers have been martyred who were very faithful to God, like Stephen and all of the twelve apostles who died as martyrs during the first century, with the exception of John, the writer of the Gospel with his name and the Book of Revelation who died a natural death, at 94 years of age, close to the year 100 A.D.

A report issued by a Christian organization fighting religious persecution states that a Christian is killed for his or her faith every five minutes across the world. It has escalated dramatically over the centuries, with more Christian martyrs in the 20th and 21st centuries than in the preceding 19 centuries — going back to Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry. The situation is only getting worse.

Over 75% of Christians persecuted in North Korea who are subjected to torture, imprisonment and all sorts of punishment do not survive to tell their stories.

Currently, more than 200 million Christians around the world are threatened because of their faith. Is God pleased with martyrdom? Does it give Him satisfaction to see many Christians martyred for their faith. Does God consider it a sacrifice that brings glory and honour to Him, thereby pleasing and acceptable?


Thank you.

God bless you,
Rachel Henderson
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Old 04-12-2016, 03:28 AM
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Optimum health is a state of mind in my opinion. When I was younger being sick felt different, even the smallest of sicknesses felt overwhelming to me. Now that I'm older and I have strengthened my mind, I feel fine and optimistic even under extreme pain or sickness. Only the most severe of sicknesses can make me mentally "feel sick", the way I felt when I was younger.

It's not that I don't get sick, I get sick 4-5 times a year actually, but I fight it off so much better now that I have peace of mind and my relationship with God, and I don't experience the same... how to I explain this... mental suffering of sickness. It's as if I am in "optimum health" even in sickness, but it's a state of mind, not that I'm immune to disease.

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You seem to have this idea that Life is better that death... but theres no way to know. Perhaps just considering that thought is enough to bring you some peace of mind, maybe death is better than life?

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you seem to be concerned too much with what is righteous and what is justice, that is Gods work. Let him do the judging and if you can, try to keep your mind at ease, have faith in Gods law, that it's perfect and everything is as it should be.

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this is just my personal opinion but you guys are taking it too serious. It's my experience that religion and spirituality are to help a person lead a wholesome and good life, that is to say that they enhance a persons life.

When religion becomes a persons life, to the point that they are ignoring their inner self and voice, that is the point where things have gone in the grey area.

I mean just think about Gods perspective, do you think he would be happy with your actions? You called out to him so much, leaned on him so much that eventually you began to dislike him
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:29 PM
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Hello Rachel and welcome to SF.

Most of your post is questioning why God hasn't healed people. I used to be a Christian and I now realize that God doesn't spoon feed us. As for healing, we are made in His image which is the physical body. In it we have energy vortexes/centers popularly called chakras. Since we are born with it, I think God would expect us to use those to improve our health.

In my signature line, part of it says to speak to the earth to learn from it. That learning has happened with crystals and they can help develop our chakras.

There are threads in the forums that discuss chakras and crystals. There is also a lot of material concerning those two that can be found on the net and in books.

I hope you enjoy your stay in SF and find the answers you seek.
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While Rachel's mindset and state of spirit are unfortunate, it brings up the state of the world today involving pollution and carcinogens in the modern world, compared to that of biblical days past.
Also, lack of technologies, which the atheist like to focus on and emphasis, dictated an active lifestyle on the part of the common person. Advice to excersize, eat healthy and, "workout" uneccesary.
Much like the Amish communities today.

Also from the beginning, certain protocols and rules involving food and cleanliness were established by God, to His people.
Constraints about foods to avoid eating, what was permissable.
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Because these promises are not from God, but from the mind of those authors who spoke/wrote them, then they were put into a book called the bible and said it came from God. So basically the basis of your question is built upon a false foundation, which then negates the possibility for a solid answer. In other words, God did not say these words, because a true God would not be so ignorant so as to make false predictions, but rather, ignorant minds make false predictions/assumption/expectations/speculations which they say "are sent/told" by God which then do not come to fruition and then the people blame God for these false foundations/promises they themselves conjured up in their own minds and believed to be "the truth."

Proof is in the taste of the pudding, the reason these promises do not come true is for the simple fact that they are not true, which is validated by the fact that they do not come true. Its very very simple to see, not complex.
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Because these promises are not from God, but from the mind of those authors who spoke/wrote them, then they were put into a book called the bible and said it came from God. So basically the basis of your question is built upon a false foundation, which then negates the possibility for a solid answer. In other words, God did not say these words, because a true God would not be so ignorant so as to make false predictions, but rather, ignorant minds make false predictions/assumption/expectations/speculations which they say "are sent/told" by God which then do not come to fruition and then the people blame God for these false foundations/promises they themselves conjured up in their own minds and believed to be "the truth."

Proof is in the taste of the pudding, the reason these promises do not come true is for the simple fact that they are not true, which is validated by the fact that they do not come true. Its very very simple to see, not complex.


Your post needs to be distributed to people who blame God for all that happens in the world It's a little gem.
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As a first time poster ...let me suggest...the title was deceiving, unintentionally....a better subject, for an example....
" Questions about Bible Promises Unfulfilled".
I had the idea this would be an inspiring
post of promises from the title.

I can not help but think you're intention was to cause discord or
try to decrease the faith of Christians here...tell me if I am off base.

I will tell you and anyone reading here, tho, I am not what is considered
a Christian according to the Nicene Council,
I have found the promises
or instructions in the Old and New Testaments to be right on
the mark for life here on earth, personally from my practice of them...
the afterlife I can not say.
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Because these promises are not from God, but from the mind of those authors who spoke/wrote them, then they were put into a book called the bible and said it came from God. So basically the basis of your question is built upon a false foundation, which then negates the possibility for a solid answer. In other words, God did not say these words, because a true God would not be so ignorant so as to make false predictions, but rather, ignorant minds make false predictions/assumption/expectations/speculations which they say "are sent/told" by God which then do not come to fruition and then the people blame God for these false foundations/promises they themselves conjured up in their own minds and believed to be "the truth."

Proof is in the taste of the pudding, the reason these promises do not come true is for the simple fact that they are not true, which is validated by the fact that they do not come true. Its very very simple to see, not complex.

So, as I stated, it is a difthen ent world today, with all manner of unhealthy food at "our fingertips", so to speak, and also modern conveniences that allow for unhealthy lifestyles if we are not careful.

In addition regarding your post, close your eyes if you want, but again, the Dead Sea Scrolls find in 1948 validates our modern biblical texts; the various books written through the many ages which were first collected by the Essenes together, and then by the Nicene council later.

Why aren't scrolls like the Gospel of Thomas included in our modern texts? They are SPURIOUS. Discounted as such, because the actual author( s ) are unknown.
While spurious books may have some philosophical value, (or not) they are useless with regard to both Jewish history... and the topic of salvation; An important thread running through the 66 books, from Genesis to Revelation.
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When you drop the concept of a Patriarchal "God" out there somewhere controlling all these things, writing supposed "absolute truths" then all of this is seen through, seen for what it isn't, and what it isn't is the absolute truth.

Again, what you're reading (in the op) is what those who said those words felt, you are reading their perception, their thoughts, their beliefs, nothing more or less. For them, this is how they perceived it, for them these may have been their experience or a belief of THEIRS.

Is it not clear that these statements (in the op) are not valid for everyone? In other words they are not absolutes. Too often we say things (our perceptions/experiences) as if they're absolute for everyone, and they are not, which is evident by life itself; simply observe and see for yourself. If they were true for everyone, then they would be and everything in those statements would be happening to everyone equally, but they do not as seen through our experiences of life.

The problem comes in when you believe these statements to be sent by God and absolute and then they don't happen, which then you question God for its supposed failure instead of questioning yourself for having believed that the statements were sent by God and absolute in the first place. Be ye not deceived, and it is you who deceives you. Wake up!

The hardest thing we have to do is admit that just perhaps we may be mistaken, that maybe its not God that's wrong but me, that my perception/belief is mistaken, that maybe the bible is not the absolute infallible word of God but rather written by the mind of man/woman and that it in fact is fallible and so are we. And its OK, not knowing is a wonderful place to be..live the mystery.


This is elementary observation 101: Life is absolutely & unconditionally fair because it is impartial to everyone, there are no favorites, no discriminations, no prejudices, no special or ill treatments by God to anyone. Rather, our perception of life is what determines how we see it, it is us who are discriminating, judging, partial and prejudiced; in other words, our perception of reality is created by us, and what those statements in the op are revealing are the perceptions of those who said them.
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Old 23-12-2016, 06:24 AM
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Because these promises are not from God, but from the mind of those authors who spoke/wrote them, then they were put into a book called the bible and said it came from God. So basically the basis of your question is built upon a false foundation, which then negates the possibility for a solid answer. In other words, God did not say these words, because a true God would not be so ignorant so as to make false predictions, but rather, ignorant minds make false predictions/assumption/expectations/speculations which they say "are sent/told" by God which then do not come to fruition and then the people blame God for these false foundations/promises they themselves conjured up in their own minds and believed to be "the truth."

Proof is in the taste of the pudding, the reason these promises do not come true is for the simple fact that they are not true, which is validated by the fact that they do not come true. Its very very simple to see, not complex.

"Foundation"....

Here is the Rock, and the solid foundation of God for everyone.
That because of God's love He established the atoning rituals after the perfect law was given through Moses. Because people are imperfect.

Which foundation Jesus is both the "Chief Cornerstone", ( Because He was there at the time of the giving)... and the "Capstone", ( Because He was there at the end on the cross for us).

A firm foundation, and solid Rock of salvation, upon which one can rest with assurance.
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