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05-06-2017, 03:56 AM
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hehehe... problem being we always try anyway and that always leads to leading people astray
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On that point, you are absolutely correct.
However, a thread without words here might be difficult to sustain.
Nonetheless, one does find one's self getting quieter and quieter at some point as the words virtually always tend towards "leading people astray", as you duly indicated.
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07-06-2017, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
On that point, you are absolutely correct.
However, a thread without words here might be difficult to sustain.
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yeah, for some reason we like to talk to each other
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Nonetheless, one does find one's self getting quieter and quieter at some point as the words virtually always tend towards "leading people astray", as you duly indicated.
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hehehe!
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26-06-2017, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
As I pointed out in my previous post, that which is ultimate does not even say "I AM". The "I AM" is simply one gate-less gateway to that which lies beyond even that.
I'm not sure, but we may be saying the same thing in different words.
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Yes the "I AM" is a gateway. But it is only one of many gateways. If you pass through the gateway of "I AM" you end up somewhere which is different to when you pass through other gateways.
Other possible gateways could be - the Divine Feminine acting as "the way and the life". Passing through Christ's door. Conscientiousness as the path. And so on.
What I complain about is that people state that "I AM" is the *only* gateway to God; whereas in fact there are many.
The East states that the "I" is consciousness. I state that I prefer to be conscious *of* "I". I personally think that God can be conscious of "I AM" just as much as we can be conscious of an object or another person. "I AM" is a state of awareness or consciousness - but God is conscious *OF* that state....as well as all the other states of being.
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26-06-2017, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
Yes the "I AM" is a gateway. But it is only one of many gateways. If you pass through the gateway of "I AM" you end up somewhere which is different to when you pass through other gateways.
Other possible gateways could be - the Divine Feminine acting as "the way and the life". Passing through Christ's door. Conscientiousness as the path. And so on.
What I complain about is that people state that "I AM" is the *only* gateway to God; whereas in fact there are many.
The East states that the "I" is consciousness. I state that I prefer to be conscious *of* "I". I personally think that God can be conscious of "I AM" just as much as we can be conscious of an object or another person. "I AM" is a state of awareness or consciousness - but God is conscious *OF* that state....as well as all the other states of being.
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Honza hello there. That's very true. There are many gateways from your furthest point of origin...and all along the path.
Ultimately I believe since they all come to the same path, many view all gates as ultimately One, or as ultimately the same gateway, like a singularity cutting across all dimensions, no matter which of an infinite number of dimensions we came from.
But I also see your point as equally valid. There are still an infinite number of gateways, even to the same singularity or point. Thus, whilst all are ultimately the same, each is manifestly different or unique until and unless we are (each or all) at One.
Personally, I have always felt that honouring differences is overlooked far more often than honouring the sameness, which often amounts to a "whitewashing" of individual experience...and thus that is often where I bring my attention, for myself.
Peace & blessings
7L
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20-08-2017, 01:25 AM
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God told us himself his name was Jehovah...Although i think its possible that when Jehovah at the tower of Babel divided up the Jews into 12 groups and gave them all different languages there may be 11 other names for the one named Jehovah... neemish
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20-08-2017, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by neemish
God told us himself his name was Jehovah...Although i think its possible that when Jehovah at the tower of Babel divided up the Jews into 12 groups and gave them all different languages there may be 11 other names for the one named Jehovah... neemish
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For the umpteenth time, there is deity in the Hebrew Bible with the name of Jehovah.
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27-09-2017, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RabbiO
For the umpteenth time, there is deity in the Hebrew Bible with the name of Jehovah.
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That sounds like a Freudian slip RabbiO......
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28-09-2017, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
That sounds like a Freudian slip RabbiO......
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Actually it's what happens when the rabbi types on his ipad and doesn't double check to make sure all the words appeared.
I haven't fit into my Freudian slip in years, but I remain Jung at heart.
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28-09-2017, 02:54 PM
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So what is it that we are not to take in vain? Jehovah? Yahweh? YWHW? I Am?
And what is to be hallowed?
Oh, sorry, did I just start a new topic?
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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18-09-2018, 03:46 AM
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If you look at Exodus 3:14 where it speaks of "I am that I am" in Hebrew, the God mentioned is transliterated as Elohim. Incidentally, the God mentioned in the first creation account (Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:3) in Hebrew is also transliterated as Elohim.
If you look at the next verse, Genesis 2:4 The Hebrew word that gets transliterated as Yahweh is first introduced.
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