How do I know myself as Consciousness?

[Goldcup7]

Originally Posted by God-Like

How do things just appear?
I have had similar conversations with other's (excuse the pun) about this. You see for one person they took 2 years to admit that their new born baby didn't just arise in Consciousness which was an answer given for 2 years prior.

Regarding the appearance of objects, I do not believe that objects appear at all. There are no objects, as there are no limits that separate things from other things. There is only what is. So then the unanswerable question of "How do objects appear?" is without meaning. "How did the baby appear?" is dependent on the belief that there is a discrete separate baby. But the 'baby' has no traceable beginning or end.

The bigger question may be, "How did this world appear?" That way we are trying not to single out objects. We all experience an observable world. How did that appear? I feel the answer is that it just is. Although the mind doesn't like it, it doesn't really appear. Or if it did appear it came from where it is.

Ultimately, diving deeper into this question, I feel the answer is that there is no separation between the seeing/knowing and what appears. Thus there is only the illusion of appearing. It is what it is.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

Regarding the appearance of objects, I do not believe that objects appear at all. There are no objects, as there are no limits that separate things from other things. There is only what is. So then the unanswerable question of "How do objects appear?" is without meaning. "How did the baby appear?" is dependent on the belief that there is a discrete separate baby. But the 'baby' has no traceable beginning or end.

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It doesn't have to be about separation. The Tree and the Moon are not separate but they appear. They appear due to certain processes. Snowflakes are not separate from lava, but each signature requires certain ingredients to be present in order to exist in this reality.


x daz x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

The bigger question may be, "How did this world appear?" That way we are trying not to single out objects. We all experience an observable world. How did that appear? I feel the answer is that it just is. Although the mind doesn't like it, it doesn't really appear. Or if it did appear it came from where it is.

That's the ultimate question. I am certainly not aware of how this world came to be. I am not even aware of how my own individual existence came into being.

I can relate to being aware of this world and then not, and then aware of it again, that's why I say what I say, but this not consciously knowing does reflect in the same vein as non dualists not knowing what consciousness is and not knowing how things arise.

To hold an absolute Truth on this not knowing makes no sense to then believe 100% that the reality is as they say it is.


x daz x

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Cash only

Real cash, no funny money


x daz x

Oh dang, you do not accept monopoly money?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Oh dang, you do not accept monopoly money?

not in the real world Perhaps if this was a dream world, then I would accept buttons as payment, or marshmallows.


x daz x

[Goldcup7]

Originally Posted by God-Like

That's the ultimate question. I am certainly not aware of how this world came to be. I am not even aware of how my own individual existence came into being.

Imo 'individual existence' does not come into being. If by 'individual existence' we mean an entity that is separate from other entities, then we slip into the error of duality and separation. So the question of how did it come to be is flawed by assuming it is a real separate thing.

If by 'individual existence' we mean the one and only infinite being, then it does not come into existence. It simply is. It is the undressed nature of being. It is timeless and formless. It is the core 'substance' of existence.

[Ewwerrin]

Would you then say that the self is like the screen of the universe. Turning off the screen, leaves just the screen, and no thing. Like the ether?
Would you say then that the Absolute or Consciousness or the Self or I am, is like the Ether?

[Starman]

In my perception, what is real is permanent and what is unreal is temporary. It is called illusion because it is illusive, constantly changing, coming and going, etc. That which is eternal, in my opinion, is real. Non-duality is real, duality is not.

The rest of it is just so much word salad, using words to try to discuss, or debate, something which transcend words. We are each entitled to our own point of view, even if some think their point of view is the only right point of view.

There is no right or wrong, there are only various stages of awareness trying to construct that which can not be constructed. What I share here is for now, but my perspective is ever growing, and when I am ready, it is subject to change.

Intolerance of different points of view is one of the major problems in this world. A cornerstone of spiritual development is humility, in my opinion. But hey, that’s only my opinion.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Interesting post, Starman. A thought on permanence vs impermanence ~ we measure these against linear time but time itself slows down, finally stopping altogether at the singularity point. Yet, as of the absolute and unbound freedom, will and power of God/Self/universal consciousness, space and time are created, manifested, within which It pours Itself, the one becoming two and the two, many* (represented in Shaivism as the triad, the one being Shiva as transcendent, the two as Shakti being both transcendent and immanent and the third being us here in form, immanent)

So what is permanent and temporary then, in this light?

[Starman]

Unseeking Seeker, it seems you are referring to Hindu theology and its deities, Christians also believe in a triad three-in-one God, while Jewish theology is strictly monotheistic. When I studied comparative religions I looked for the commonalities among them and not their differences. However transcendence, and or how God was viewed, was not among those commonalities.

Buddhists commonly view the concepts of permanence and impermanence as related to reality, but permanence and impermanence aside, I might have also said that reality is a matter of perception. There are a number of ways to word this conundrum as all words have their limitations and we are constructing things in our mind with words which transcend mind and words.

In my opinion, each person knows the truth by finding it for themselves, the differences come in when we attempt to interpret those higher greater truths. Although I am comfortable with my interpretations, and I realize that the more I explain something the farther away from that something I get. I end up with only my explanation and not the thing which I began talking about. I have found that the simplest response with the least words, for me, is best.

I truly value diversity, including diversity in thought, and believe that we all do not have to see things the same way, as long as peace prevails. Curiosity notwithstanding, we will all eventually come to know, in my opinion.