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Originally Posted by BackYardPhenomena

In either of two distinct experiences I have had in actually rising from the physical during a slumber, I neither felt vibrations or heard high pitched noises. What I did experience was two different phenomena: a vacuum sensation maybe from my hearing senses and also some sort of physical restriction. The first restriction was the feeling of not being able to breath, this led my first experience back into the body, in which I lowered slowly into the physical at the same slow pace as I had risen. The second experience was a tight pulling around the waste, which was much more violent and it pulled me back into the physical quite rapidly.

Perhaps I should meditate on raising the vibrational frequency as I have heard some experience?

When I'm trying to Astral Project I do the roll out method. I feel suction pulling me in the direction I'm rolling out from. Feels like giant vacuum is sucking my astral body right out of my physical body. But that's a sensation. I get sounds of electricity as well. The most important thing is not to let the sensations deter you.

I agree. Meditation could help to raise your vibrational frequency which will result in better quality experiences. When your of low vibrational frequency your generally confined to the RTZ.

Also meditation will help to quiet the mind. What I've found about Astral Projection is the mood that I'm in will influence the experience I have. The only times I've had a bad experience have been when I'm not in a good mood.

There's some good self guided meditation videos on Youtube that you can use to help raise your vibrational frequency.

[loopylucid]

Originally Posted by BackYardPhenomena

In either of two distinct experiences I have had in actually rising from the physical during a slumber, I neither felt vibrations or heard high pitched noises. What I did experience was two different phenomena: a vacuum sensation maybe from my hearing senses and also some sort of physical restriction. The first restriction was the feeling of not being able to breath, this led my first experience back into the body, in which I lowered slowly into the physical at the same slow pace as I had risen. The second experience was a tight pulling around the waste, which was much more violent and it pulled me back into the physical quite rapidly.

Perhaps I should meditate on raising the vibrational frequency as I have heard some experience?

Im always a little dubious of to much literature and classes etc with obe, like Mb said, we can almost accidentally own anothers projectionary visions, because our minds, are pretty easily influenced, or get stuck in the disappointment phase of why is that technique not working for me! so im 50/50 with it.

In one hand immersing yourself with obe through literature etc, gives us a great intention set out, were immersed in what we want to happen, which can work to your advantage, but also holds the risk of copycat projections. But on its positive notes, it can offer the necessary attention needed to the subject which pays off. But i would personally recommend only getting involved with the exit itself with that for ideas, not the experiences had out there or expectations of others in theirs.

On the down side as i say, it can culture and structure your obe's to such a point, its an interpretation of what youve read/heard etc. Nothing wrong with that if thats what you want from it though obviously, each to their own :)
Prime example of this, Ive obe sponteanously since i can remember, went through all the usual rtz ****, the more i read about it, the worse it got! Bigger, more elaborate and quite frankly ridiculous lol I worked all that out, but recently, after reading a few posts on ap boards which i be honest, i havent bothered to for a while, i went through and had a copycat obe, it was only due to my awareness levels, i worked out what was occuring and phased out of it, smiling and laughing all the way! Bit like when ya watch tv before bed and then dream similiar things..

As for the distractions as your about to exit, do your very best to get the, feel the fear do it anyway attitude, i think alot of what we first learn with obe is the art of not being distracted, less distracted and mind thoughts that kick in at this stage, like whats that, whats happening etc, the smoother the transition may become. Be defiant with it. It sounds like your very close anyway, keep pushing through :)

Just some stuff it might help to be aware of in your journeys, its a good idea to know what you want from obe, is really what im saying :)

Loopy

[loopylucid]

Originally Posted by mb6954

One moment I'm laying in bed trying to Astral Project and then for a brief moment I won't be able to see. That's followed with finding myself standing somewhere in my bedroom or floating away from my bedroom. What do you think causes that slip?

I use lucid dreaming to Astral Project. Luckily I become lucid quite often.
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That's interesting MB, so do you feel the separation, or you get a blankness and then realise your out? Could you share an example, of the lead up to it with the lucid dream to exit point?

Loopy

Originally Posted by loopylucid

That's interesting MB, so do you feel the separation, or you get a blankness and then realise your out? Could you share an example, of the lead up to it with the lucid dream to exit point?

Loopy

Hey Loopylucid Okay so I'll do a run down because when it happens to me it feels like it's over really fast but it's actually kind of hard to explain...

So for me the only way to Astral Project is through lucid dreaming. Whenever I become lucid during a dream I always wake up just about every single time. The good thing about this is that it gives me a moment to prepare myself before I'm actually fully conscious again. I can remind myself to stay perfectly still, keep my eyes closed, not think about anything else. Whereas if I'm not lucid and I wake up my eyes will automatically open. Just like a reflex, I don't have that time to prepare myself.

So once I'm fully conscious again I won't move at all. I'll feel my astral body roll out (roll out method). I'll feel this suction as if there is a big vacuum pulling my astral body right out of my physically body, I'll get some electricity sounds going on in my head, maybe some tingling. Then as I'm feeling myself being pulled out I'll black out very briefly, I won't be able to see anything just black. Then the next thing I know I'm either stumbling around inside my bedroom or floating through my roof.

I guess I do feel the start of the separation and while I do get some sensations (suction, tingling etc) and the sound of electricity in my head I've never gotten any vibrations. So it would go from the separating feeling and feeling my astral body getting sucked out of my physical. Then to blacking out. Then to realizing I'm out.

I've done other methods of projecting like falling through my bed. I think I may have stayed aware as I was separating that time because my astral body actually fell straight through the bed. That was funny, I could actually feel myself on the floor, I have wooden floor boards and I swear I could feel the floor up against my legs. But my favorite method above all is rolling out. The sensation is just so amazing.

Anyway I hope I explained that well, it's difficult to explain, if you would like to know anything else just ask. I'd love to know why I black out, I would love to see the separation until the end.

Originally Posted by loopylucid

That's interesting MB, so do you feel the separation, or you get a blankness and then realise your out? Could you share an example, of the lead up to it with the lucid dream to exit point?

Loopy

Hey Loopylucid Okay so I'll do a run down because when it happens to me it feels like it's over really fast but it's actually kind of hard to explain...

So for me the only way to Astral Project is through lucid dreaming. Whenever I become lucid during a dream I always wake up just about every single time. The good thing about this is that it gives me a moment to prepare myself before I'm actually fully conscious again. I can remind myself to stay perfectly still, keep my eyes closed, not think about anything else. Whereas if I'm not lucid and I wake up my eyes will automatically open. Just like a reflex, I don't have that time to prepare myself.

So once I'm fully conscious again I won't move at all. I'll feel my astral body roll out (roll out method). I'll feel this suction as if there is a big vacuum pulling my astral body right out of my physically body, I'll get some electricity sounds going on in my head, maybe some tingling. Then as I'm feeling myself being pulled out I'll black out very briefly, I won't be able to see anything just black. Then the next thing I know I'm either stumbling around inside my bedroom or floating through my roof.

I guess I do feel the start of the separation and while I do get some sensations (suction, tingling etc) and the sound of electricity in my head I've never gotten any vibrations. So it would go from the separating feeling and feeling my astral body getting sucked out of my physical. Then to blacking out. Then to realizing I'm out.

I've done other methods of projecting like falling through my bed. I think I may have stayed aware as I was separating that time because my astral body actually fell straight through the bed. That was funny, I could actually feel myself on the floor, I have wooden floor boards and I swear I could feel the floor up against my legs. But my favorite method above all is rolling out. The sensation is just so amazing.

Anyway I hope I explained that well, it's difficult to explain, if you would like to know anything else just ask. I'd love to know why I black out, I would love to see the separation until the end.

P.s. Okay and I just posted that twice

[BackYardPhenomena]

You are all are awesome. This is very exciting. Thanks for the great info!

[loopylucid]

Originally Posted by mb6954

Hey Loopylucid Okay so I'll do a run down because when it happens to me it feels like it's over really fast but it's actually kind of hard to explain...

So for me the only way to Astral Project is through lucid dreaming. Whenever I become lucid during a dream I always wake up just about every single time. The good thing about this is that it gives me a moment to prepare myself before I'm actually fully conscious again. I can remind myself to stay perfectly still, keep my eyes closed, not think about anything else. Whereas if I'm not lucid and I wake up my eyes will automatically open. Just like a reflex, I don't have that time to prepare myself.

So once I'm fully conscious again I won't move at all. I'll feel my astral body roll out (roll out method). I'll feel this suction as if there is a big vacuum pulling my astral body right out of my physically body, I'll get some electricity sounds going on in my head, maybe some tingling. Then as I'm feeling myself being pulled out I'll black out very briefly, I won't be able to see anything just black. Then the next thing I know I'm either stumbling around inside my bedroom or floating through my roof.

I guess I do feel the start of the separation and while I do get some sensations (suction, tingling etc) and the sound of electricity in my head I've never gotten any vibrations. So it would go from the separating feeling and feeling my astral body getting sucked out of my physical. Then to blacking out. Then to realizing I'm out.

I've done other methods of projecting like falling through my bed. I think I may have stayed aware as I was separating that time because my astral body actually fell straight through the bed. That was funny, I could actually feel myself on the floor, I have wooden floor boards and I swear I could feel the floor up against my legs. But my favorite method above all is rolling out. The sensation is just so amazing.

Anyway I hope I explained that well, it's difficult to explain, if you would like to know anything else just ask. I'd love to know why I black out, I would love to see the separation until the end.

Hehehe, thanks for sharing that MB, I might start a new thread on this, it interests me a lot! ok one more question, do you always end up in the room your projecting in? You ever end up anywhere else? And is that a common way for it to happen when going out through lucid dreaming do you know, in general obviously?
Loopy

Originally Posted by loopylucid

Hehehe, thanks for sharing that MB, I might start a new thread on this, it interests me a lot! ok one more question, do you always end up in the room your projecting in? You ever end up anywhere else? And is that a common way for it to happen when going out through lucid dreaming do you know, in general obviously?
Loopy

Your welcome

Yes every time I've projected I've ended up somewhere in my bed room. I tend to make my own way from there. Once I floated straight through my ceiling and up out of my bedroom into the sky and then found myself in another house. So I guess you could say that was a time when I didn't end up in my bedroom, I ended up floating into another house, but I was briefly in my bed room.

Yes I always wake up when I become lucid. Which is annoying because I'd like to experience lucid dreaming as well. The only time I've been able to Astral Project is when I've woken from a dream. I've heard some weird static sounds in my ears in the morning when I've refused to get out of bed because I wasn't done sleeping. But that's about it I can't project if I don't need any more sleep.

My vision always starts off blurry at the beginning of a projection as well. Hope this helps. I'm actually interested in starting a thread on dream hands.

Oh and I've been using a water distiller to get rid of all the heavy metals and sodium fluoride from my body. I was reading about how sodium fluoride calcifies the pineal gland so while I can astral project already I'd really like to improve my experiences. Having an inactive pineal gland might help explain my problems with blurred vision etc. I'd really like to stay aware through the separating process. I'd also like longer projections. I'm hoping that getting rid of all the sodium fluoride from my pineal gland through drinking distilled water and taking iodine and boron will help. I'm also taking Cocoa and Melatonin to help stimulate my pineal gland into production again. I'm from Australia and our water system is heavily fluoridated along with god knows what else because the bottom of my distiller is already gathering gunk and I've only been using it for a week.