Visiting

[loopylucid]

The spiritual dimensions are governed just like any other dimension and the laws in which they are governed are what decide what is possible, not what a person would like to think is possible.
Yet that is from a 'persons' perspective ! and only ever can be! thats the point! Its all about you, the experiencer! but..Ever figure a bigger picture? Ever wonder why a plane of spirituality would need governing in such a way...? No question why the so called rtz would tho I agree But it isn't and that's why its so chaotic for many out there! Meeting some1 in rtz is the not the easiest place to in terms of being to close to reality your mind still gets in the way, we created words like law and governing and bought them into this zone, they never existed here they didnt need to, we just had them hidden in our backpacks amongst some cheese sandwhiches for the journey haha! but for basic evidence its possible yeh, its serves basic purposes, but its also not evidence that you cant meet anywhere else tho!! Wow! lol maybe, just maybe that's a choice we make, to meet elsewhere for good reason navigation isn't mapped, it don't need to be,eventually time and space, distance, in it all is instanteanous awareness and all is possible :)
Dont give up Sub!! lol
Loopy

[Fairyana]

Originally Posted by Astral Explorer

[...] Of course people will say "well I'll just focus on a certain place and end up there." Unfortunately in the astral planes that is not the case. I have had long conversations with spirits regarding intention and the truth of the matter is when you set your intention in the astral planes to visit a specific place what happens is you manifest that place and basically create an astral duplicate of your vision of the place you intended on visiting. This is why we cannot visit physical locations during astral projection. At the very best we can visit the RTZ space overlapping the physical space we wish to visit but even that can be a stretch due to accidental manifestations and the fact that astral projections only last so long.

Yes, I have experienced this. In a lucid dream state I tried visiting my mother who lives in another country, but the sense I got from her apartment was that it was a duplicate of my vision of the place rather than me being actually there. And when I wandered off in my own building, it seemed like a version of it rather than being it. I can totally relate to that.

Originally Posted by Astral Explorer

Unfortunately there is a HUGE difference between what people say can be/is possible during astral projection and what is actually possible. The spiritual dimensions are governed just like any other dimension and the laws in which they are governed are what decide what is possible, not what a person would like to think is possible. That's not to say that more isn't possible in the spiritual dimensions than the physical dimension because obviously it isn't going to be the same everywhere, but there are things that are possible in the spiritual dimensions that aren't possible in the physical and vice versa. Otherwise there would be absolutely no reason to reincarnate as physical beings. And if everything we can possibly conceive of was possible in the spiritual dimensions then once again there would be no reason to reincarnate as physical beings. We reincarnate as physical beings to experience things we couldn't experience in the spiritual dimensions, and we astral project to experience things we can't experience in the physical dimension. If "anything" was possible in the spiritual dimensions then this would not be the case.

I agree!