Power of faith

I originally posted this in general beliefs, but I had few responses so I shall try it here.

Some people say that if one really believes 100% that something will happen, then it will. I'm thinking of Jesus walking on water, or the power of faith moving mountains. No one (including myself) has been able to manifest this power under scientific conditions, which makes me question its actuality. But maybe, just maybe, the reason it cannot be done is because we have the tiniest grain of doubt, and that is why we fail.

Unexpectedly, and without trying, I think I have proved this idea to be false. Here's how:
Last night, in the dark, I walked across my patio. I know it like the back of my hand, so even though I could not see, I knew 100% that there were no obstructions and I would not walk into anything. I was wrong. My foot hit a plant-pot and I tripped, even though I 'knew' that I wouldn't. Doesn't this prove that belief in something does not make it reality?

There are other examples. I remember reading about a sleep-walker who climbed over a balcony and fell 30 feet to the ground, although he 'believed' he was climbing into his bed.
I once climbed over a 3 foot high wall in the dark, believing that the ground on the other side was level. I fell about 10 feet and hurt myself.

Doesn't all of this debunk the idea that one's beliefs manifest one's reality?

[Nameless]

Ah, you are after scientific proof. I just had a few thoughts on this. When you are creating your reality, your beliefs form your reality. Here's a couple things someone else's or my own guide has shared on this subject, that may or may not be helpful to this search for absolute proof:

Look at your reality as a cake, and your inner being is the one who puts things into place for you each morning, and your consciousness, your waking consciousness, doodles on it with frosting. So, each morning when you wake up, you will not forgot to put something in your reality, because the energy that makes us this incarnate life that you are leading has taken care of it, so nothing will be forgotten that should be there.

Along those same lines, I think the essence of your question is instant manifestation. If I suddenly decide I can put my hand through a wall, because everything is made up of energy, and space, yes, I could believe that I can put my hand through the wall. But, what if I decided, on the way back, that, oh dear, of course I can't put my hand through the wall when you were trying to pull your hand back out of the wall. Or if you decided you could fly, and when you were flying, did the same thing - oh dear, what if I can't fly, and there you go, tumbling down.

If one could maintain the belief thoroughout the entire process, it probably would be much more helpful :).

I look at the "creating your reality" from a multi-universe concept. This moment of my life, right now, I am making choices each and every moment. One choice is to pay the bills. I really need to do that before I go to work. So I pay the bills. But what if I chose not to pay the bills ( probably not a good analogy of choices, but oh well. The me that chose to pay the bills goes off and has the life on that path, but because there are other choices I could have made, I make all of those choices as well, in a multi-universe sort of way, and so the reality that I am currently in is due to the choices that I made, one after the other, and there are many "me"s in other realities who made different choices.

Of course, none of that can be proved. That is where changing your beliefs changes your reality. And that can change your life, but it is a slow process.

I once believed the devil would get me if I was bad (Catholic upbringing). The devil was very real to me, in every sense, and of course Hollywood made him even scarier. I believed in the Devil, because I never wanted to meet him up close and personal, I was a good child and behaved the way I should have, or was told to.

When I grew up, and was no longer Catholic, I never really thought of the devil anymore, unless I was watching a movie that starred him, which I tended not to do. I came across the concept that the devil wasn't real, that Man had made him up. I totally, instantly, believed it. My reality changed, but not in any concrete way I could prove to you. That heavy burden of, I should act this way or he will get me, was lifted off. I now speak to my guides, for want of a better word, and before I got rid of that belief, I would have thought myself possessed by the devil.

And since I don't want to put my hand through any walls, or jump off any cliff, the walking on water (shallow water) might be the place to start if you really want to defy the manmade laws of this world.

Just some thoughts, and probably proved your point, but it was fun to share with my coffee :)

Thank you Nameless. I do believe that our thought and beliefs have an effect on our reality. For example if two people go to a job interview; one believing they will get the job and one believing that they wont then the one who believes they will get the job has a much greater chance of success. It's all about body language and such. But walking on water: I would love to see someone able to do that in reality.

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

I originally posted this in general beliefs, but I had few responses so I shall try it here.

Some people say that if one really believes 100% that something will happen, then it will. I'm thinking of Jesus walking on water, or the power of faith moving mountains. No one (including myself) has been able to manifest this power under scientific conditions, which makes me question its actuality. But maybe, just maybe, the reason it cannot be done is because we have the tiniest grain of doubt, and that is why we fail.

Unexpectedly, and without trying, I think I have proved this idea to be false. Here's how:
Last night, in the dark, I walked across my patio. I know it like the back of my hand, so even though I could not see, I knew 100% that there were no obstructions and I would not walk into anything. I was wrong. My foot hit a plant-pot and I tripped, even though I 'knew' that I wouldn't. Doesn't this prove that belief in something does not make it reality?

There are other examples. I remember reading about a sleep-walker who climbed over a balcony and fell 30 feet to the ground, although he 'believed' he was climbing into his bed.
I once climbed over a 3 foot high wall in the dark, believing that the ground on the other side was level. I fell about 10 feet and hurt myself.

Doesn't all of this debunk the idea that one's beliefs manifest one's reality?

It's about vibrational matches. What happened before you went out into the night? Tripping over something and hurting yourself is a match to misalignment with source, i.e. emotional discord. It doesn't matter if you know your patio like the back of your hand or not. What matters is your state of alignment.

[Miss Hepburn]

Sorry, double posted.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

But walking on water: I would love to see someone able to do that in reality.

I think if you went to India you might see things that would satisfy that request...even
then you would have to go to some deep retreats or villages away from the cities.

I believe every word I have read so far from the British "expedition" of scientists around 1894
chronicled in Baird Spaulding's, "Life & Teaching of the Masters of The Far East",
a 6 book volume.
Way more extrardinary things to the common man's eyes occurred.

It takes a bit more than basic belief...why? Because it is ingrained in us that walking
thru a wall is impossible...
When something is ingrained, we think, still, in our subconscious, we "can't".

Jesus walking on water is not the extraordinary thing...it is Peter walking on water.
Now, he had an advantage from us...he had already seen extraordinary things done and
Jesus himself had an outstretched hand to him....eye to eye, heart to heart...and excelerated
awareness from a contact high....which is the darshan of a master or guru transmitted to
the disciple.

[IsleWalker]

Ecthalon--

I just think there are so many "beliefs" (fears) built into society that you cannot escape doubts when you think other than what is commonly believed. Therefore, you will not totally create that new belief.

Here are some examples of common fears of society that make it difficult to escape doubts:
-disease is caused by bacteria/germs/other unknown invisible things (as opposed to our own beliefs about our own well-being)
-sun causes cancer
-pesticides ruin our food
-hormones are rampant in our meat supply, water supply

Even if all these things are true, it is still possible to hold a belief that you are safe and protected, that your body will pull the nutrition out of what is available because it works in concert with you.

And, like Tobi points out, there are what appear to be certain "rules of the game of being physical" that we can't ignore. Radiation will destroy cells (perhaps) even if we believe they won't. You can't fly or jump off a building.

I just touched on a few of the fear-based things in our belief system. Basically, science/medicine espouses only fear. There are new studies every day that insert new fears: Saturated fat causes heart disease, sugar causes diabetes, coffee is good for you, bad for you. Each study plants a new fear.

There is even a societal belief that to not believe these things is somehow insane. But how different is it to believe these invisible microscopic things cause disease than a curse or because we didn't make a sacrifice?

New studies find that, without bacteria/microorganisms, staff germs--a whole host of entities that are intentionally placed on the skin of a child during the birth process--without those, baby mice raised in totally sterile conditions--die. Just die. They've found that babies delivered by C-section do better when they are made to come in contact with the bacteria in the birth canal of the mother, which would normally happen.

Colonies of staff germs on our skin are what make our skin build a wall of waxy material that makes the skin more resistant. But we were taught that staff bacteria cause bad infections.

Sorry to get going on this one idea, but I see it so much right now.

To your basic questions--it's very difficult to hold a belief against the grain and not have doubts. It doesn't mean that you can't create your own reality in a lot of other areas. You are safe when you believe you are.

Lora

[muffin]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Thank you Nameless. I do believe that our thought and beliefs have an effect on our reality. For example if two people go to a job interview; one believing they will get the job and one believing that they wont then the one who believes they will get the job has a much greater chance of success. It's all about body language and such. But walking on water: I would love to see someone able to do that in reality.

Afternoon Ecthalion, a wee something for you and for me all thing's are possible, it's just how you see thing's.

Walk on water (Liquid Mountaineering)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQ

[Adrienne]

That's awesome Muffin ! there you go Lion, your next adventure ! Believe !!

[Nameless]

Originally Posted by muffin

Afternoon Ecthalion, a wee something for you and for me all thing's are possible, it's just how you see thing's.

Walk on water (Liquid Mountaineering)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQ

Well done, Muffin!!! Who knew people are walking on water (well, technically running, but it still counts!) Now if that doesn't convince Lion, anyone have any videos on putting your hand through a wall? That would be something to see....

Anything is possible, if you believe that it is (waiting....)

Oh, and a note to Isle Walker - I can't remember if I read it somewhere, or a guide told me, but it made a weird sense, and I believe it - that each of us has inside of us every deadly disease known to man - and can activate them with our belief system. It's a trippy concept. Because the other side of that coin is that we can also heal ourselves from any disease as well, which a lot of people have and that's been documented. What I think comes into play, as you suggested, is the mass belief system. If 20 people believe you are going to the Hot Place if you do X, Y or Z, and you don't believe that anymore, I guess there is no way to prove that either ...... unless anyone has any You Tube videos showing the afterlife? I would really like to see those too