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Old 15-05-2024, 06:21 PM
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I imagine what Steve Jobs saw was the awesome majesty of the physical world melting away opening to an indescribable vista which left him awestruck.

This is the exact conclusion I reached too, and that he saw the light immediately.


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I have seen people die who did not exhibit any light at all at the time of their death.
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this Mexican Mafia boss had a shootout with police. I saw no light surrounding him; he died in fear.

I believe this relates to your statement that people see what they want to see at the moment of death, and I would add what people expect to see too. Steve Jobs appeared to me as a pioneer, a visionary, someone who had a zest for life, and I think that’s why his moment of death was as it was. I heard a hospice nurse refer to one particular patient death. She said the dying lady looked incredibly happy, peaceful, and content, in a way she'd never seen. She questioned the dying lady, and she replied with 100% certainly that finally she is going home, and couldn't wait. On the other hand, the Mexican Mafia boss probably didn’t have a zest for life, but lived in abject fear of it, fear of poverty, fear of powerlessness, and so on. He has my sympathies in a way, because he probably never truly lived. To truly live is to be without fear. My interpretation is that his life was a spiritual void, and that when he died, his consciousness obviously continued, but he found himself in a void. I imagine a light appeared, and that he had the choice and free will to move towards it. Even in this scenario, there is an inherent lesson about fear, trust, and relinquishing control. The learning never stops, not even in the seconds after transition. I imagine his soul had to learn lessons around fear and empathy, which is why he lived the physical life he did. I believe he would have had a profound life review where he experienced in minute detail how all his actions affected everyone, directly and indirectly, and then begun a process of healing and contemplation, assimilating those lessons into his continually evolving soul. Even Hitler would have gone through this process, and I suspect no light surrounded him at the time of death. I suspect no light will surround Putin either. He is driven by fear also. Imagine Putin in the emergency room having just been told he is going to die imminently? I once heard a trance medium say, upon being asked questions about Hitler, that we should send our love and healing to him at all costs. I thought that answer was deeply counter-intuitive to the human ear, yet stunning from a higher, more divine perspective. Talk about Christ consciousness!

I really enjoy your posts Starman. You’re one of the most intriguing forum posters I’ve ever read in my 20 years of reading forums. I find your insights deep and resonant of universal truths, and it upsets me that more people in the world don’t understand life from the same perspective that you, and many others here do. I’d like to share a link to a podcast you and others might enjoy. It’s an hour and 11 minutes long. It’s an interview with a psychic paramedic, and I have watched this three times. I find it mindblowing. She touches on something you said about group deaths, and she describes a time she went to the aftermath of a forest fire which killed many residents. She saw all their souls hanging around, confused, and she intuitively knew what to do. She remarks on souls that might be standing at a car crash, looking at their body, confused, and she communicates telepathically with them. It’s a fascinating interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmNx--Sd0Y

Redchic12, I live in the UK. I live in a village 1 mile from the edge of a very large town. Even here there is never total silence. There is always the sound of human activity, even if it’s just a plane coming in to land at the nearest airport, 60 miles away! I can still hear the rumble in the sky. I always hear the incessant wooshing of tyres on the main highway, a mile from me. I realised recently, that in my 45 years, I’ve never once experienced total silence. When I say silence, I mean from human activity. I cannot find a spot anywhere where sound doesn’t carry from some road, some flight path. In this respect, I’m looking forward to death, just for the total peace.
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Old 15-05-2024, 07:55 PM
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Bluto, I live in New Mexico and have met Sarah Grace at a talk she gave here. We have a lot of life experiences in common, but I feel like I am just on the cusp of consciously developing psychic abilities. Me working in a hospice is bringing out my latent, deeper, what may be called “psychic abilities.”

In my opinion everyone has these abilities, although they are latent in most people, and in some people, like Native Spirit, who is here on this forum, she was born with those abilities. I do not refer to them as “psychic abilities” rather I see them as spiritual gifts or deeper talents, which in my opinion we all have. For most it is just a matter of developing them, and working with dying people can trigger that growth, as Sarah Grace was explaining about her work as a paramedic which triggered her deeper abilities.

I have had a lot of the experiences which she shared in that YouTube video. The journey which I have traveled in this human life have given me more than I realize, and I am still learning. Along the way many times I strongly rejected my journey, not knowing the gifts it had in store for me down the road.

Bluto, what you have shared in your post resonates with me. The light is there for everyone, it is just a matter of being aware of it. There is no good or bad in this. In my opinion all of us are already home; we can live in the reflections or dwell in the peace of our eternal being, right now before our physical body dies. All that is here on Earth is to challenge us to grow, as Sarah Grace said about her abusive mother, and about “the things which got under her skin,” They pushed her into a deeper existence.

The flight or fight response is definitely in play; human life requires learning how to navigate the currents in this ocean of Maya. For many the waves are too strong and they drown. But some come to realize that the greatest battle is going on inside of us, and they transcend that battle handing it over to spirit in the here and now. The presence of spirit, which I now feel on a daily basis, fights my battles for me.

I also agree with what Sarah Grace was saying about the mainstream medical field. I feel each person should learn about their own physical body, their own mind, emotions, and their spiritual being. Basically “Know Thyself. I have worked with patients who trusted me much more than they trusted themselves and I feel that is sad. I try to empower people to trust the process of life, as well as the process of human death. What I share, most often, does not come from me, rather it comes through me. Silence speaks without words; the important thing for us, in my opinion, is to learn how to listen.

Peace and Good Journey To You
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Old 21-05-2024, 02:12 AM
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Dying is the process which a person goes through before actual death. There are only two ways to die, fast or slow. In my hospice work I am with patients both young and old, some are going through a slow dying process while others leave very quickly. Death is natural but the way we die, or are killed, may be morally wrong.

It is actually our body that kills us, our physical body fails and we are pushed out of it regardless the method of our death. Medical science has said that the last physical sense to go when a person is dying is their hearing, although our senses do go deep within us beyond their outward appliance.

Death is not painful but being in a body that is dying can be painful. In the dying process most people are separated from their physical body before death arrives. They will sleep more than they are awake and they often lose touch with the outside world. They may eat less or not eat food at all.

Food keeps us in our body; our energy is used digesting food in our body which anchors us in our physical body. Lots of healthy people do fasting and meditation and that experience lightens their presence in their body. A dying person naturally relinquishes the food and drink of this world days or weeks before dying.

Death and dying is a social and cultural issue as it is seen differently by different cultures, religions, and in different societies. Grieving the death of a loved one is natural; there is no cure for grieving. Although most people do learn how to live with it. I am learning a great deal from working with people who are terminally ill and just thought I’d share some of that here.
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Old 21-05-2024, 03:16 AM
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Starman, have you met any patients who claim to have left their body and glimpsed the other side before coming back to their body?

It's my understanding that some hospice patients who are very close to death can have a foot in both worlds for a short time. I'm wondering if you've had any conversations with patients who may have experienced this? If so, how certain were they that they did actually step into another dimension of existence?
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Old 21-05-2024, 04:31 AM
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Bluto, there are many dimensions of existence and when a person’s body is near death they may experience many different dimensions. Most do not put their experiences in any context which people in this world can wrap their head around.

Some patients who have Alzheimer’s or some other type of Dementia have lost contact with physical reality completely, even though their physical body is still in this world and they are still utilizing it. Memory may disappear so some are not cognizant enough to convey their experiences of other dimensions in terms that we here in this physical world can understand.

Most do see spiritual beings as death approaches but it depends on the condition of the dying person’s physical body, their brain and their mind, whether or not they can convey their experiences to those alive here on Earth. It is different for each person; life is different for each person and so is the experience which we call “death.”

Young children near death seem to have a better grasp of other dimensions then do adults or the elderly. Adults get lost in their complex interpretations and curiosities, while children are very simple about what they perceive. They do not have elaborate explanations. One thing for sure just about everyone at the time of death speaks of a peace which surpasses understanding and they are in awe of what they have seen and unable to describe it.

I listen more then I speak, and often what a dying person says does not make sense to me, mainly because the human mind is conceptual and the experience of death is not. The human mind wants to know, so it creates a box labeled death-like experiences, but staying in the moment during the dying process and not anticipating what is next, in my opinion, is the best approach.
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Old 21-05-2024, 06:13 PM
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In my opinion, from all of the experiences which I have had and have heard from others, the after life is not fixed. It is not like taking a trip to a foreign land and you get a brochure telling you about it before you go. The physical world has a dense fixed landscape but what we call the afterlife in many ways is abstract.

It has many dimensions, realms, and ways of existing. Consciousness is not fixed, nor are emotions; their nature is a flowing ethereal like substance, while the human body is a dense material substance. All of us know in the depths of our being what the afterlife experience will be like, we all came from that experience into this so-called human existence.

Fear of death, in many ways, is fear of your own being, or fear for your own being, and what may happen to it after human death. Fear is always about what may happen next. Staying in the moment, trusting the process of life and death, helps to dissipate fear. Spiritual surrender, or letting go, is very important. In my opinion.
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Old 22-05-2024, 01:17 PM
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The dying process: medical science embraces that the last of our earthly human senses to go at the time of death is our hearing. Even a patient who is in a coma and non-responsive can hear what people are saying around them. Our sense of touch says with us, as well as other senses, until death arrives. But hearing is the last to go.

Inner silence, which for most people was in the background their whole life, comes to the foreground and overwhelms the dying person. Hearing, or sound, is replaced by internal silence. Lots of people struggle with the silence as it overtakes them, but many welcome the silence. Some say they can not hear themselves think as they take their final breath.

It is the silence which comes in an overwhelming powerful wave which takes us from our physical body. Another word for silence is peace, and from all accounts it is a very peaceful and air like experience. Some people report seeing an inky like blackness as they leave their physical body while others mention a brilliant light.

Human beings who hear these reports from the dying draw their own conclusions. I remain silence on any interpretations regarding this. Although as I said earlier, in my opinion, death is painless and any pain which may be experienced comes from the dying human body. In hospice care pain management is one of the central things which are done for the dying.
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