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Old 24-02-2018, 08:13 AM
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MIND=ONENESS

Hmmm.

MIND=MOVEMENT.

ONENESS=STILLNESS.

When you realise Oneness you will know the difference.

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Old 24-02-2018, 11:22 AM
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Hmmm.

MIND=MOVEMENT.

ONENESS=STILLNESS.

When you realise Oneness you will know the difference.

Peace.

Not relevant. Oneness is already all there is including not realizing Oneness:) Realizing Oneness will not make you any more Oneness than you are already:)
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Old 24-02-2018, 12:28 PM
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Not relevant. Oneness is already all there is including not realizing Oneness:) Realizing Oneness will not make you any more Oneness than you are already:)

Only ‘not relevant’ if you are content with being a seeker.

There is a distinction that is often missed in current nonduality circles - it’s the difference between the ontological (for want of a word) and the psychological or conscious.

Although Oneness is always ontologically the case (realisation or no realisation), in order for seeking to end the conscious (or psychological) realisation of Oneness is required.
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Old 24-02-2018, 02:02 PM
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Hmmm.

MIND=MOVEMENT.

ONENESS=STILLNESS.

When you realise Oneness you will know the difference.

Peace.

I wouldn't equate Oneness with stillness anymore than movement. It's stillness. It's movement. It's both stillness and movement. It's neither stillness nor movement. It's right here, NOW in the chaos... and the calm - there’s nothing else.
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Old 24-02-2018, 08:23 PM
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I wouldn't equate Oneness with stillness anymore than movement. It's stillness. It's movement. It's both stillness and movement. It's neither stillness nor movement. It's right here, NOW in the chaos... and the calm - there’s nothing else.

Oneness, being everywhere, never changes, never moves. Thus it is still. Within the stillness there is movement and within the movement there is stillness.

Or we could substitute form for movement and formlessness for stillness. So within form there is formlessness and within formlessness there is form.

As you say, it is all here right now.

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Old 24-02-2018, 08:25 PM
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Not relevant. Oneness is already all there is including not realizing Oneness:) Realizing Oneness will not make you any more Oneness than you are already:)

As I said, when you realise Oneness you will understand the difference.

Peace.
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Old 24-02-2018, 09:15 PM
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Only ‘not relevant’ if you are content with being a seeker.

There is a distinction that is often missed in current nonduality circles - it’s the difference between the ontological (for want of a word) and the psychological or conscious.

Although Oneness is always ontologically the case (realisation or no realisation), in order for seeking to end the conscious (or psychological) realisation of Oneness is required.

Hi Moondance,

Here we go again:)

Yes resonance with All is One has to occur to end the search (and maybe some consolidation).

What is the most helpful response to seekers to bring that about? To be clear that seekers are already in the state they seek (The Direct Approach) including not realizing, may work. That at least avoids placing further burdens and places the seeker in the position most likely to bring about a fast resonance. We know it works for some so worth a try:)

If they are a character for which the direct approach does not work, there are paths and practises they can explore and see if that works.

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Old 24-02-2018, 09:21 PM
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As I said, when you realise Oneness you will understand the difference.

Peace.


You have no idea who I am. We are done, Be well and good luck.
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Sketching …..

At one point (walking in the "Enchanted Forest") it seemed as if I didn’t exist, but everything else (the Universe) did.
Not being “one” or “two” – but being a zero point.

The Energy of Stillness and Movement in Synchronicity shapes the zero point into a dancer of that Synchronicity.
“Who” the dancer is – well, that is the spooky part.

Love this quote by T.S. Eliot:
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I said to my soul, be still and wait without hope, for hope would be hope for the wrong thing; wait without love, for love would be love of the wrong thing; there is yet faith, but the faith and the love are all in the waiting. Wait without thought, for you are not ready for thought: So the darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.

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Old 25-02-2018, 03:11 AM
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Sketching …..

At one point (walking in the "Enchanted Forest") it seemed as if I didn’t exist, but everything else (the Universe) did.
Not being “one” or “two” – but being a zero point.

The Energy of Stillness and Movement in Synchronicity shapes the zero point into a dancer of that Synchronicity.
“Who” the dancer is – well, that is the spooky part.

Love this quote by T.S. Eliot:


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Did that experience end the search?
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