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08-11-2017, 09:15 PM
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But then again its not possible to know whether someone is enlightened or not. There are certain characteristics which are supposed to exemplify it, but the mind can easily construct these and hide behind as the separate self, contradicting every one of them:) It can often be very advantageous for the mind to do this, as there can be many benefits in terms of motor cars and other gifts.
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It's also very possible - and evidently, eminently obvious through this post - that some people, in their personal fear of teachers/Gurus, or perhaps preference to be un-validated and self soothing in their own misconception that they "have arrived" (perhaps even preaching from this belief) - that they waste no opportunity to try to scare others from the very real reality of highly Awakened/Enlightened Masters.
In other words, sure some people are fake, but the benefits and advantages - if one is fortunate enough to meet a real teacher - can be invaluable. Although, I've also heard it said, it takes one to know one. Without or with a teacher, spiritual work needs to continue, I guess.
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08-11-2017, 09:49 PM
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Sharing presence/oneness is not a biggy (like a shock awakening), but it is definitely needed if considering following a Guru.
Sharing presence/oneness or being in One Spirit is beyond mind.
It is like holding a butterfly on the palm of your hand.
If your mind wants to grasp/possess it, you’ll destroy it.
If you take your attention off the enchantment/Grace of the situation, it’ll fly away.
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08-11-2017, 10:25 PM
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People sometimes make that claim about themselves, and sometimes about their so called Guru. That doesn't mean that dropping away has happened. The separate self could just as easily be hiding behind that facade. and the so called Guru could be unaware of that. Conditioning is most effective when it is forgotten that it has happened:)
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Personally I have no interest in guruism, so I have no impulsion to promote it. I can say the notion that guruism is necessary is misguided, and I'd never suggest to anyone that they should find a guru, as all I can say is something along the lines of, it's your life, so you decide what you'll do.
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08-11-2017, 10:56 PM
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Sharing presence/oneness is not a biggy (like a shock awakening), but it is definitely needed if considering following a Guru.
Sharing presence/oneness or being in One Spirit is beyond mind.
It is like holding a butterfly on the palm of your hand.
If your mind wants to grasp/possess it, you’ll destroy it.
If you take your attention off the enchantment/Grace of the situation, it’ll fly away.
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I've seen/met people where one's own consciousness shifts, I am guessing that their energy field is such that the effects are physically palpable?
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08-11-2017, 10:57 PM
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I have never actually met a Guru, only some indigenous Elders with whom one can be in nondual alignment.
Because of the high transparency of the situation, that shared presence/oneness does induce silent communication.
Also if one is in a proper alignment with the Elder (Guru) non-dually - and ready, teaching situations spontaneously manifest for the "Guru" to act upon and for you to witness.
And of course direct inner knowing is beyond doubt.
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It's often such Elders that I would personally use the term for
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09-11-2017, 12:06 AM
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I've seen/met people where one's own consciousness shifts, I am guessing that their energy field is such that the effects are physically palpable?
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I think so too. Like a tuning fork (I guess?), your awareness just shifts to that vibrational Nondual Grace, a bit like jumping on a higher Octave (perhaps one could say).
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It's often such Elders that I would personally use the term for
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Meeting such Elders is very humbling, yet very egalitarian situation.
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09-11-2017, 12:23 AM
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Hi sentient
Nice to meet a fellow being
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I think so too. Like a tuning fork (I guess?), your awareness just shifts to that vibrational Nondual Grace, a bit like jumping on a higher Octave (perhaps one could say).
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Yes I don't exactly know how it works. I think you have to tune in to that love too though, so maybe it's like a meeting - their consciousness facilitates/supports an upward shift? But as said, I don't know how it works.
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Meeting such Elders is very humbling, yet very egalitarian situation.
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Oh for sure. Every time I have met these Beings of Light, it is just beautiful sweetness. The thing is, it changes your (my) world view forever. I am / feel lucky to have had these opportunities as I am also quite suspicious/cynical by nature and also had great fears of "being duped".
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09-11-2017, 01:23 AM
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Thank you for your comments Blossomingtree, nice to meet you too
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Yes I don't exactly know how it works.
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I don’t know either. Sometimes the shift is instant, before you can even think: “shift”, or before your eyes have even met - you have shifted already.
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I think you have to tune in to that love too though
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Nondual Grace is unconditional love, it is love that just "IS", without there really being a giver nor a receiver of it.
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09-11-2017, 01:48 AM
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Thank you for your comments Blossomingtree, nice to meet you too
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I don’t know either. Sometimes the shift is instant, before you can even think: “shift”, or before your eyes have even met - you have shifted already.
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Well I never expected it. Nor do I still. Au natural is a philosophy of mine One time I was with a group of people listening to a Buddhist Master and one of the people afterwards said " I think I felt exactly what he was talking about" (true love consciousness). I knew what this person meant.
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Nondual Grace is unconditional love, it is love that just "IS", without there really being a giver nor a receiver of it.
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If we talk about Grace, to me that is a much bigger topic. Those whom emanate unconditional love, I do believe, know that there is no giver or receiver - or rather, that both are one and the same.
I remember seeing a four legged friend once, and knowing, that the eyes which it looked at me were the eyes that I was looking at it. That type of inner knowing, like you say, is indisputable.
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09-11-2017, 02:04 AM
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I remember seeing a four legged friend once, and knowing, that the eyes which it looked at me were the eyes that I was looking at it. That type of inner knowing, like you say, is indisputable.
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Haha. That kind of thing has happened to me too.
A non-dual magical moment with a four legged.
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