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Old 25-10-2016, 05:11 PM
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If you have come in contact with "source" or "nothingness " there is no need to use vampiric techniques (although, still possible to do so) If youbdrain someone who is ill, it's possible to pick up symptoms of what they have. Many people are vampires without even knowing it, simply considering themselves empathic or whatever. If iu want to preform the technique imagine a drain from yourself to the victim and draw in their eneger into your solar plexus

Lepus wanted to know a technique of reversal, in a healing way.
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Old 25-10-2016, 08:29 PM
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Hello norseman,

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Just a small correction of "left-hand path", Lepus. Many people, myself included, follow a "crooked path", using both left-hand and right hand paths as appropriate. The model we follow is Nature itself [the predator-prey relationship is a good example] In nature, some species flounder while others succeed. The classic study is the relationship between the Arctic Fox and the Arctic Hare. Their populations follow sine-waves juxtaposed by 180 degrees.
Remember, Light without Dark is not possible. It's all a question of Balance !

Do you agree that various magickal systems fall under the left or right-hand path? The left-hand and right-hand paths are a label that refer to styles of magic and occult practices. These practices include, but are not limited to, Satanism, Setian, Qliphothic magick, black magick and also, dark paganism. It is compared to right-hand path practices, such as Ceremonial Magick, Qabalah, The Golden Dawn, Rosicrucian, and other forms of angelic magick, or white magick. These labels, of right-hand and left-hand are a convention of naming that is useful to those within the occult who seek to associate with certain styles of occultism. Now, regarding practitioners following either of the two paths - I will agree with you on a third path using both left and right-hand paths. Vampiric Magick is also known as Necromantic Sorcery. It deals with draining and taking. Thus, it falls under the left-hand path. Now, concerning of the nature of entities, that's a different topic. I'm still debating whether these are merely thoughtforms created by our minds.

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Old 25-10-2016, 09:59 PM
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Hello Solarian,

When a magickal system follows the Left-Hand path you are bound to deal with nefarious 'entities'.
***Oh dearest, no! Left hand, right hand, the world is not in just black and white. I follow the third path and embrace both natures (of myself). I have a grey natured spirit companion, we don't practice necromancy, I don't make human/animal sacrifices to him. There are respectively white arts, grey/dark arts, and then black arts. I don't deal with black arts or nefarious entities. I just don't want you to think I do crazy stuff. I sacrifice rich sweets to my grey companion, his favorite, and truly a sacrifice as those are also my favorite! ;) that's what I mean when a vampire can be grey, a watcher can be grey, an angel can be grey and are not the fallen, but greys can grant wishes in the name of justice without harm, without upsetting the karmic balance, merely speeding it up. But I understand the laws of Wicca. And Hecate knows all. I started off as Wiccan (I admire the practice because I wouldn't be this far in spiritual consciousness without knowing it) but I evolved as I expanded, and magick is...truly magickal

Again, I'm still debating whether these entities are merely created by our minds, since we all have different levels of vibrations, it is possible for these thoughtforms to correspond with human nature (psychologically). I was refering to the category Vampiric Magick falls under, and I believe this system falls under the left-hand path. It does involve draining and taking the life force from your victims to develop your Psychic abilities.

Vampiric Magick is after all a branch off of Necromancy that involves draining the life force from the victims from both dead, or alive.
***if they are of black arts/nature, yes. Vampires are sexual and have human-like desires, and so they will never be light natured or white arts, or right handed, lol. Yea it has a negative stigma, but most of them made the choice not to actually go that way. I understand your fear though. They can really betray if they want and cause some serious damage. Example: if you hurt a white being, they will let it be and turn the other cheek. But a grey won't deny the pain you've caused them; they would let you know it and they generally choose not to harm you, while a black will definitely do all negative things to make you undone, even hurting those who had nothing to do with it directly. They will even hurt you without cause because they just enjoy that kind of thing.

The magickal aspect of Vampirism is category of the dark arts, no? Concerning with entities, I'm not sure, once again it depends on the rank they fall under. And I do believe they exist due to the energy invested on them.

I'm not interested in entities though. After reading the Witches' Bible on thoughtforms, I'm convinced they are only created through your mind and given power by acknowledging their existence by giving it characteristics and a depiction on how they look like. Just like Zozo. This brings me back to the Principle of Mentalism in the Hermetic Principles. The All Is Mind. The Universe is Mental.
***That's how magick works. things exist without our beliefs or not, but giving thought into them does give them power. As Wiccan, and a witch even more so, you should know that everything you incorporate magick into must be done with will and intent. But yeah, you can choose what and who you give power to. There are also those called torah that you can create with your mind and give power to. But I don't advise that at all.

This is what I refer to when humans created thoughtforms by giving it power to exist. The nature of these thoughtforms depends on the human intention and will. Thus, we are able to depict how these thoughtforms look like. How do we know these so called gods and goddesses are not created by thoughtform? Now, regarding mundane life, we are able to apprehend the existence of our planet, which is why I preserve and honor Gaia. The Sun, Moon, and the rest of the celestial bodies exist. In Wiccan belief, we acknowledge the "Source," but don't worship it. This "Source" is believed to be the creation of everything, and in Wicca we believe these planets are dominion to either male or female (the "Source" being dualistic). Same with the elements and nature. It is ruled by a feminine, or masculine energy. I'm still in progress on what to believe. For now, I honor Gaia.

Regarding Nephilims (Giants) they were created by the watchers, which to some belive to be fallen angels, others ETs. These Giants soon died off due to the destructive nature that the watchers created by mingling with humans in western civilization. These watchers were punished and sealed away, but they left behind valuable information such as astrology, cutting of the root, plant medicine, etc. There were remains of Giant skeletons found in Europe? Anyway, I'm not sure if it's real. I'm not denying the existence of ETs. Some say they helped humans build the pyramids.
***The dark/grey watchers are known to be the fallen ones that were sealed away, but actually they just lowered their vibrations by choice because they wanted to give into human desires, they aren't sealed away. There are light watchers, the white arts, and they have guided humanity for the greater good since the beginning of time. The black arts watchers aren't even watchers anymore...You become something else entirely when you lose yourself.
***I remember being exactly where you are While I wouldn't depend on the Christian Bible to be the one and only truth, it's pretty accurate, especially about our history of how we have come to be. But you can't read it straight up, you have to read between the lines, and the truth is right under our noses. The ETs are are also of white, grey and black. Most are white, and our planet is infested with blacks. The world governments, money enslavement, ect. It's the reason why humanity can't evolve as a whole, but many are spiritually awakening like you. The higher our vibrations, the faster we can get out of their grasp. The proof is all around the world, old systems are collapsing and everything is in chaos. If you're ever interested all the knowledge is around us. You've come to a great place!

I just found out Wicca doesn't believe the concept of evil. I know there is something sinister behind the curtain that controls our media, goverment, money, etc. There are claims of something big is going to happen after or before this election. I won't delve any further, forum rules regarding conspiracy theories.

And as a Wiccan, there is no such thing as being either evil or good. Like you mentioned, we all have a balance of both polarity. The only reason I said, "there is nothing positive having a bond with a Vampire, is for one just like humans they can deceive and two require energy."
***Can is the key word. But we all have free will. Sure I embrace my grey/dark nature (not black arts, not left hand), but I don't like to deceive so I choose not to. Certainly you must be the same way, so not all humans are void of love. It's the same with vampires..I suppose I defend them because I happen to know they can be very intimate. All path followers require energy. It just depends what kind of energy you choose to require. That's why those who actually do practice black arts/the left hand, have to do some pretty unspeakable things, and murder is not even the worse of it. Grey/dark just means the mixture of black and white. I embrace my sexual nature, i Get a thrill out of horror movies and pulling mischievous pranks, I socially drink, I consume meat, I don't refrain from cussing, and I try not to, but I often fight fire with fire. I try to practice Martin Luther King Jr.'s quote as a mantra because I strive to forgive my enemies, though it may take some time, lol But I don't deny these humanly parts of myself, I simply embrace it and BE MYSELF.

I agree with you that we have free will. We have an equal balance of both good and bad. How we utilize them depends on the individual.

There was this article I've read about humans living together with mermaids, goblins, elves, etc. But it doesn't hold much evidence to support that, unless there is and I'm not looking hard enough.
*** It isn't that you aren't looking hard enough, love. It's just you haven't had your own experiences with them. If you ever want, all you must do is dig deeper and expand what you know of the truth. That is what spirituality is all about after all :)

Still in progress.

I did find a book on Asetian tradition from the order of Aset Ka. It contains information on Vampirism.
***All things have its origins, just like how Christianity was originally racist, started slavery, degraded women, and did living sacrifices of humans and animals. But 'branching' off from traditions is still a completely new direction and approach which installs a different school of thought with new principals, morals, ethics and values. Love is the movement and is the right way.

Okay.

***Love, I hope I didn't offend you in any way by speaking freely. I was not offended in any way, and I yield to the opinions of others. I just don't want you to think I worship the devil, kill for sport, hurt and deceive others for fun, have sexual intercourse with the dead, eat the dead and other weird things. You know, those are the true black arts, the true left hand path, and it's truly horrific, lonely, real darkness void of light; it's only black and nothing shines through. It has no hope, knows no kindness or mercy, and I do not embrace that part of me though I know I have it, as I know every human has it because each of us are very capable of it. Every dog can bite, but less than few have ever bitten me, so without discrimination, I don't hold it against all dogs to be deceivers (cuz even the most vicious ones are cute and cuddly). You and I, we're good people, and really that's what matters, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation
***I understand you may not agree with what I'm saying, but I'm only putting in my two cents, and how you take it is up to you; I'm not trying to debate, start a fight, or anything like that. I love you and you have a beautiful soul, a beautiful mind. It shines and I see that.
Love and light, my friend~

I didn't accuse you of such things. I merely assumed these 'entities' are nefarious in nature. I still need to conclude whether these are thoughtforms, or not. And you never offended me in any way.

Same here.

Speaking of The Walking Dead, brutal!

Blessed be,
Lepus
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Old 25-10-2016, 10:54 PM
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Hey, Lepus!

Glad I didn't offend you. It has been nice sharing our thoughts on these subjects. I think you are an interesting individual and I see we actually have many common interests based on your profile! And gosh yeah, the Walking Dead was insane. I totally cried :'(
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:14 AM
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vampirism is a hunger. there are lots of books about it, but i don't know if a person can become vampiric on purpose. the way i understand it, that would be like wanting to be a dialysis dependant alcoholic without the ignorant experimentation with wild turkey for 20 years. The night creatures are kinda skeptical of people that want to be them, but don't want to be that which they are. It's a live your life for what you are kinda hipster hang out. Or....Maybe....It's a 12 step program...I dunno
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