Are we boxed in? am i wrong?

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Justin Mangonel

Dear Boxed,

The normal church does not understand what is happening with those who are beginning to experience spiritual giftings beyond what they know and accept. Therefore, it is tough for those who are experiencing these types of things to fit in and be accepted.

I would suggest reading "John G. Lake, adventures in God." Many of the same things you are saying happened to him and he was able to have a very impacting and full life in Christ. You can find a used copy of it on amazon and I think you might really enjoy it.

I am like you. Don't be discouraged.

Blessings,

Justin

thefinalfeast

Largely, I was responding to this, but, there were six posts including yours Mr. Stein.
Strange comments, given the Bible well adresses the gifts of the Spirit, and with respect to miracles.

And, Raven, there are many different denominations within Christianity, I was referring to non denominational, Full Gospel, where vocal praise in worship is emphasized, and involving results.

[RabbiO]

Originally Posted by la'michael

Because ofnafter being rejected Alot I know God is my salvation but I refuse to limit him to what's in a book that king James edited...

I'm not a Christian so I'm not going to even try to answer your question. But I do have a couple of questions for you, if you do not mind.

1) What makes you believe that King Jamed edited any version of the Bible?

2) Out of curiosity, what exactly do you believe was edited, either through addition or deletion?

3) Even presuming that King James, or the translators of what has become known as the King James Version, edited the Bible, in the time that has passed since the KJV was first translated and disseminated there have been a vast array of other English Bible translations. Why not simply choose another? (In the interest of full disclosure, I do have a problem with many English translations of Hebrew scripture, what you would refer to as the Old Testament, but that is not the topic here.)

B'shalom,

Peter

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by la'michael

Are christians as a whole or majority or mass boxed in with their belief system? As a 20 yr old my mind is and has been heavily influenced by how I was raised... but the thing is... I was born with a few spiritual gifts and by the time I was 15 knew that I had them all to some degree or another... with this being said... I've always been able to ( not by choice) astral project... and sleep paralysis would always happen.. spirits would be seen and I would know things with people way before they happen. Now.. in several places my old church some Christian forums etc.. some call this new age christianity and some also claim it ungodly or evil. Now I've never been able to control these things they just happen but here is my challenge. Because ofnafter being rejected Alot I know God is my salvation but I refuse to limit him to what's in a book that king James edited... and I refuse to believe I'm going to hell for the part of my life I can't control .... a God thATS omniscient omnipotent and omnipresent. In my eyes can't be limited. Neither can they way he works through his children or the paths he has them walk
After yrs of this treatment I resorted to calling myself a follower of Christ in my own manner because n my experience Christian can be boxed in on their beliefs.



What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Disagree?

La'michael,

I believe you will find the reference below, from a related thread, very helpful to show you that you are not, nor have ever been, boxed in by any belief whatsoever.

Hope this helps...

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...72&postcount=8

[Jatd]

Originally Posted by la'michael

Are christians as a whole or majority or mass boxed in with their belief system?


What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Disagree?

My opinion, is ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT YES.
This is coming from someone who was raised in a southern baptist church who also had spiritual gifts and was told that they were of the devil. My entire life I was led to believe that I was going to go to hell.
Sad, its So so so so sad.

Thankfully someone pushed me outside of that box and I was able to finally realize that I was not crazy, nor was I doomed for some place called hell.

My advice to you is, don't completely disregard the teachings of the bible, but DO open your mind and realize that there is SO MUCH MORE to the story. Love and LIght my friend

[la'michael]

Originally Posted by RabbiO

I'm not a Christian so I'm not going to even try to answer your question. But I do have a couple of questions for you, if you do not mind.

1) What makes you believe that King Jamed edited any version of the Bible?

2) Out of curiosity, what exactly do you believe was edited, either through addition or deletion?

3) Even presuming that King James, or the translators of what has become known as the King James Version, edited the Bible, in the time that has passed since the KJV was first translated and disseminated there have been a vast array of other English Bible translations. Why not simply choose another? (In the interest of full disclosure, I do have a problem with many English translations of Hebrew scripture, what you would refer to as the Old Testament, but that is not the topic here.)

B'shalom,

Peter

Simply stating that from a young age my curiosity stumped most of my teachers pastors etc... my insight often lead me to questions beased on feeling that text was missing or misued... greed in another term of explaining... there are many people who couldve read s ripture found it to be true helpful or beneficial and just out of pure greed or seldish dsire took out or wrote things to their liking?


Ill ask u this way... there are a few times the bible tells us to ask questions... study to show ourselves approved etc... i believe personally with no teaching towards me of such that he wouldnt have done so (asked us to do so) if he didnt know or believe or understand that mans sin nature would corrupt distort misinterpret misuse or leave out things from his word... u cant tell me an all knowing GOd (after he severed the veil) allowing direct communication and seemingly less strict direct consquences ( dropping dead for misuse or sin etc) wasnt prepared for that...

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Justin Mangonel

I would suggest reading "John G. Lake, adventures in God." Many of the same things you are saying happened to him and he was able to have a very impacting and full life in Christ.

Sometimes I have thought I am the only person that
knows about John G. Lakes

[weinmanr]

Exactly!!!!!! Exactly!!!! Do NOT let what they call Christianity today limit God. We cannot begin to understand him. We call everything we don't know Evil.
Astral Projection-evil
Cannabis created by God- evil
Meditation- evil

Christians are unbalanced. They believe that God only created good while Jews believe that God is actually what he says he is, creator of all. Christians cannot fathom God creating evil. They put him in a small box and make him seem weak. Then they neglect human error. Focus on balance. God is the most balanced being. He is both good and evil.

[mickiel]

Originally Posted by la'michael

Are christians as a whole or majority or mass boxed in with their belief system? As a 20 yr old my mind is and has been heavily influenced by how I was raised... but the thing is... I was born with a few spiritual gifts and by the time I was 15 knew that I had them all to some degree or another... with this being said... I've always been able to ( not by choice) astral project... and sleep paralysis would always happen.. spirits would be seen and I would know things with people way before they happen. Now.. in several places my old church some Christian forums etc.. some call this new age christianity and some also claim it ungodly or evil. Now I've never been able to control these things they just happen but here is my challenge. Because ofnafter being rejected Alot I know God is my salvation but I refuse to limit him to what's in a book that king James edited... and I refuse to believe I'm going to hell for the part of my life I can't control .... a God thATS omniscient omnipotent and omnipresent. In my eyes can't be limited. Neither can they way he works through his children or the paths he has them walk
After yrs of this treatment I resorted to calling myself a follower of Christ in my own manner because n my experience Christian can be boxed in on their beliefs.



What are your thoughts? Do you agree? Disagree?

I certainly agree with you, we are boxed in, and its more than one type of box; I think you are thinking on a track that leads to freedom. In example; if you tell your kids that they can go outside in the yard and play, but they cannot go outside of the yard, well you have them " Fenched in." They are free to play within the yard, to move about and do as they wish; but they are boxed in. This is exactly what God did to humanity, and this can give the " Illusion of free will", because we are free to do many things, but we can only go so far, and no further.

Although the Universe is vast and seemingly endless, we can only do so much, because we are limited within certain parameters.

And knowledge is the same; its really endless, but we are only being allowed to know so much. To get so far.

So yes, we are in a box of boxes; worlds within worlds. Consciousness within consciousness.

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Wein; "Astral Projection-evil Cannabis created by God- evil Meditation- evil"

Oh my - I must be a truly hopeless case then..the very definition of a "hopeless sinner" then - astral projection is quite common for me these days - I smoke copious amounts of hash every day - and I meditate quite literally,constantly,endeavour to be fuly present always..

Hmm...by current christian thinking then,I must be off to hell or perhaps purgatory for a bit of "re education" - only trouble with that is,when Christ spoke directly to me,He was laughing at our naivete over such things and assured me I had done nothng wrong at all..Go figure..

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by weinmanr

Exactly!!!!!! Exactly!!!! Do NOT let what they call Christianity today limit God. We cannot begin to understand him. We call everything we don't know Evil.
Astral Projection-evil
Cannabis created by God- evil
Meditation- evil

Christians are unbalanced. They believe that God only created good while Jews believe that God is actually what he says he is, creator of all. Christians cannot fathom God creating evil. They put him in a small box and make him seem weak. Then they neglect human error. Focus on balance. God is the most balanced being. He is both good and evil.

Of course, many do not take in the whole nature and description of God, to include all of His creation, including us.
Speaking with respect to our true origins, apart from physical birth in materiality, and time and space. Which Science tells us today, is "illusory". So, when one speaks of the Almighty, are they doing this?

Jesus both equated people with angels, and to His inquistors, He declared to them, "ye are gods".