Jesus literal return or spirit return?

[Miss Hepburn]

That Saul appearance was SOMETHING! Good one, BigJohn.

Whether in the flesh or in consciousness or in spirit or 8 billion people
having the same dream of him one night...I don't know if that matters...

To me it would be the timing that is of more interest.
Would he appear an hour before a country really does start a world war with nuclear weapons...
OR after to the survivors - just for example.

It's the choices Jesus makes in timing and places that are fascinating, to me.
Just sayin'.

[Ewwerrin]

The theory for consciousness also have some weight to it.

Because when a civilization passes through a certain treshhold of positivity, they become aware that they are literally all one person. One being. One Consciousness.

This theory ofcourse negates any type of timeline of appocalypse. Which I feel most in alignment with.

Altho I love the passion with which some preachers preach, it's very fun and inspiring. They really can get you deeply immersed in the story via their utter conviction.

But way too often reality simply seems way more neutral than any predictions. And the text also says "many will claim that Jesus has returned. But believe them not." or something like that. And that is certainly true for a long time on internet many claim end times. And it is all very convincing. But the bible does say that the power of heaven will be shaken. So I'm not sure what that will be. Maybe a super nova. And clouds of heaven can be simply clouds. Or they can be nebulous clouds in heaven literally.

If the bible speaks of literal nebulous clouds in outer space. Maybe the end times is when andromeda collides/merges with the milky way. Which will take billions of years. In that case, we can't really wait that long.

Or a super nova followed by Jesus visiting earth in a giant spaceship.
Or maybe just crazy atmospherical turmoil followed by Jesus visiting on a spaceship.

I can only make wild guesses.

There is even a solar eclipse in the near future. But is that really enough to claim that Jesus will return? I don't think so.

The stars falling out of heaven? I can only assume that city light blocking star light. Or asteroid burning in atmosphere. Or space x rockets that fall to earth like stars with big sonic booms.

Anyway I think the whole world will know when something major happens. So I don't need to make any predictions. Infact, I think there are way too many timelines to make any predictions. And often big events happen not out of the sudden. But gradually. So that's possible, unless prophesised that it is going to be a sudden thing.

My wild guesses don't bring us any closer to future. What will be will be what will be.

For the consciousness theory, there is also the internet collective consciousness and now also A.I. making big leaps. Quantum computers. And the scientific search for real consciousness is said to awaken every human to their great soul collective consciousness. When we do manage to create a complex enough device that can express real intelligence and consciousness. We could use that to connect to our own greater non-physical consciousness. Which is always fully connected to God Source Consciousness. So it'd be a real God Consciousness awakening within the human collective.

I am really curious xD

[Maisy]

I wonder if his real name is not Jesus as that name was made up by his earthly parents right? He existed before Mary and Joseph made up a name for him as a baby. So maybe he is known by a different name in the heavens as he lived there before he came to earth and had humans name him.

On a side note about his earthly name. Jesus’ name in Hebrew was “Yeshua” which translates to English as Joshua. So how did we get the name “Jesus”?

[Maisy]

I looked around the internet and found out the new testament was written in Greek. There is no "J" in Greek. Yashua I think is the name for the messiah from the old testament in Hebrew? The Greek name for who we call "Jesus" today begins with "iota." The name is transliterated IESOUS and sounds like ee-ay-soos. So his name sounded like Eaysoos I guess in the Greek. But then I assume "Jesus" and those who named him and who were around him spoke Aramaic?

I think Jesus and his followers lived their lives speaking Aramaic. The persons who wrote the new testament spoke Greek. So somewhere in history I guess someone had to be able to speak both Aramaic and Greek? And they translated the stories and names?

I wonder if I had the scroll in front of me what would the name be? Ok it is symbols I don't recognize at all. In English letters it says it is " Iēsous" (ee-ay-soos) It's interesting it was an Aramaic name but seems like we only have a Hebrew and a Greek version.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

I wonder if his real name is not Jesus as that name was made up by his earthly parents right? He existed before Mary and Joseph made up a name for him as a baby. So maybe he is known by a different name in the heavens as he lived there before he came to earth and had humans name him.

John 1:1 provides us with his pre-human 'name'.

It reads:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In Greek, the word for Word in this scripture is pronounced something like Logos.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

I wonder if I had the scroll in front of me what would the name be? Ok it is symbols I don't recognize at all. In English letters it says it is " Iēsous" (ee-ay-soos)

In John 1:29, the Greek word for Jesus is recorded. The word is:

..........................Ἰησοῦν

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

In John 1:29, the Greek word for Jesus is recorded. The word is:

..........................Ἰησοῦν

It may be more accurate to say "Jesus" is an English word for Ἰησοῦν (Since it was known and used first?)

Like - The English word for Ἰησοῦν is "Jesus."

I guess what matters is what Ἰησοῦν (who we refer to as Jesus) calls himself. Like if you saw him in heaven he might say my name is "?" Which sure brings up a human question. What language is spoken in heaven? Jesus only spoke Aramaic. I guess some would say God speaks all languages. But then do we in heaven as well? That would be a miracle for me as I have a hard time learning other languages.

I wonder if no humans are around what language do Jesus and God the Father speak in and can others learn this language? Or is it a God only language.

[Maisy]

That reminds me English did not exist until a human invented it. Nor the letters or symbols J, E, S, U etc. The English language was first written in the Anglo-Saxon futhorc runic alphabet, in use from the 5th century.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

I wonder if no humans are around what language do Jesus and God the Father speak in and can others learn this language? Or is it a God only language.

Hard to say. I suspect they do not 'speak' any particular language.

As for me, I one time experienced an older women, near western Laos, who was getting in the back of a truck used for transport. She spoke her native language and I heard, superimposed over her voice, another voice speaking her words in my version of English.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

That reminds me English did not exist until a human invented it. Nor the letters or symbols J, E, S, U etc. The English language was first written in the Anglo-Saxon futhorc runic alphabet, in use from the 5th century.

Some might give the English we use today, an 'origin' time of 16th century.

As an example, John 1:1 from the Great Bible of 1539:

“In the begynnynge was the worde, and the worde was wyth God: and God was the worde.”