How do you deal with your past life karma ?

[Baile]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

And good on you mate for getting your thoughts out there and standing for relationships of authentic love and commitment, if I get you right.

Yes of course that is what I am saying. Or I could write another novel...

I've gone on for so long and so far, I am now seeing the other end of the argument so to speak: the point Marie was making and what she is trying to say, which is everything you as mediator and middle-person have been saying to me all along. Doh.

9 out of 10 men huh? Gack. I haven't been to a pub or sports event in maybe 30 years, so I definitely am out of touch with my rowdy redneck male side. And although I know I can't speak on behalf of all men, I would never have guessed things are that out of balance, out there in the ordinary world. Yeah, I'll just stop now.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

For a majority, however, authentic love has nothing to do with your sex partner and there's no way in hell men would willing commit to the 9 in 10 of the women they're with or have been with...because the love and all the rest is lacking from the start. Casual affection and some bonding to the woman and her sex, yes. Real love, no, not usually. Most of the time, sadly, this still comes as quite a shock to most of the women in these relationships...hence the disconnect women often refer to in most relationships that are ongoing at any particular time. Hence the relationship angst from women that men often complain about.

This struck me as so interesting. Maybe a year ago I came across a YouTube video posted by some guy, raging against women and their ______ fill in the blank issues. It was the responses in the comments section that shocked me, the verbal abuse the men were hurling at women and feminists in particular. I've since realized this is a whole movement. Men using the "Poor Men" defense to attack women. Or, let's continue abusing women - not hitting them, because we'll get exposed now if we do that - but by bullying and harassing and verbally abusing them on the internet. And not just that, we'll implement the classic defense tactic of turning our bad behavior into their issue: It's women who are making us this mad!

Me, I don't get hung up on lower behavior specifics. I try and see the bigger spiritual picture. This is all part of the shadow side of Aquarius Age evolution. I identified it in 2003 as "The Lie That Becomes the Truth." That is the time we are in now. Governments can dream up whatever lies they require, in order to invade a country and start a war. And the media will spread the lie as truth. And people will believe it. And people will lie to themselves and each other, in order to keep the truth from coming out.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Baile

Yes of course that is what I am saying. Or I could write another novel...

I've gone on for so long and so far, I am now seeing the other end of the argument so to speak: the point Marie was making and what she is trying to say, which is everything you as mediator and middle-person have been saying to me all along. Doh.

9 out of 10 men huh? Gack. I haven't been to a pub or sports event in maybe 30 years, so I definitely am out of touch with my rowdy redneck male side. And although I know I can't speak on behalf of all men, I would never have guessed things are that out of balance, out there in the ordinary world. Yeah, I'll just stop now.

Good on you then.

The ratio is sth like 8 or 9 out of 10 relationships in a typical man's life, allowing for the 1 or 2 women in a lifetime he authentically loves and commits to on many levels. The total number may be much higher for some, but the number of real loves in a lifetime doesn't usually change too much.

Look at it like this, aside from those 1 or 2 women, what were all the other sexual relationships for the men if they weren't about love and commitment? Primarily just for sex and some level of that closeness or togetherness you mention.

Yes...things are out of balance in the extreme. So out of balance as to be unsustainable long-term.
Your revelation is one I can only hope that most who are actively participating in this to some degree also have in their lifetime,
and I hope for them that it'll be sooner rather than later

Many women too need to start taking more responsibility up front for owning and seeking after their own needs, before giving over of everything whilst receiving little or nothing of substance in return. Once women take ownership, then they realise they have no one to blame but themselves if a man is taking sex & comfort without giving love or commitment, and they sign on or stay anyway.

Peace & blessings
7L

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Baile

This struck me as so interesting. Maybe a year ago I came across a YouTube video posted by some guy, raging against women and their ______ fill in the blank issues. It was the responses in the comments section that shocked me, the verbal abuse the men were hurling at women and feminists in particular. I've since realized this is a whole movement. Men using the "Poor Men" defense to attack women. Or, let's continue abusing women - not hitting them, because we'll get exposed now if we do that - but by bullying and harassing and verbally abusing them on the internet. And not just that, we'll implement the classic defense tactic of turning our bad behavior into their issue: It's women who are making us this mad!

Me, I don't get hung up on lower behavior specifics. I try and see the bigger spiritual picture. This is all part of the shadow side of Aquarius Age evolution. I identified it in 2003 as "The Lie That Becomes the Truth." That is the time we are in now. Governments can dream up whatever lies they require, in order to invade a country and start a war. And the media will spread the lie as truth. And people will believe it. And people will lie to themselves and each other, in order to keep the truth from coming out.

Yes there is a lot of that...it's hard because you have to set aside the "truths" (or mainstream ways) of your culture to see things as they really are...just mainly exploitative and utilitarian.

Until more can do that, they think what they're doing to others (and self) is A-OK because it's "the norm". Believe it or not, this is the case no matter how ugly things get.

Nazi Germany, Bosnia & Croatia, and Rwanda folks all said they were ok murdering their neighbours because "everyone was doing it". The norm had shifted so much that all human perspective had been lost...and yes, ultimately it is unsustainable, but only when your humanity rises up in protest can you find the way forward.

That's the way we are now with porn and sex and using others to "meet out needs" -- sex without love has become mainstream and thus it's expected/demanded by many men, or even by most men. It's a very insidious lie that has to be unlearnt, in order to re-discover that we separate sex and love at great cost...and that we unite them with great joy.

Peace & blessings
7L

[Baile]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

it's hard because you have to set aside the "truths" (or mainstream ways) of your culture to see things as they really are

Yes that is it exactly. I have experienced this all my life. Watching family, friends and co-workers who couldn't set aside their conditioning: the pressures and influences of society, how people are supposed to think and behave. Setting that aside was never a problem for me. I left home close to 45 years ago and have owned a TV for two years of that whole time (1990's). I have never had an interest in what the mainstream world was doing.

Gosh that is an epiphany for me. That is a huge reason why I have never fit in, why I was so different all my life. And I still don't fit in, but now I'm fine and comfortable with it, ha.

[7luminaries]

LOL! Nothing wrong with marching to the beat of your own drum. And look how far ahead of the curve you are when you've already set yourself free from the propaganda. The propaganda says anything and everything else will "make you happy"...by which they insinuate it will set you free. And yet it never does.

When in fact the key to your prison cell is and has always ultimately been locked from the inside, and you've had the key all along.

What you said about the karma bit to Marie is no doubt true as well. We are here to raise up the good (i.e., what is aligned with who we are at centre). Or, put another way, we are here to elevate all that is, and to bring what is not aligned with Spirit more fully into alignment. By simply being the change we desire to see in the world.

Often it's become apparent that as a part of raising up the good, we often have to first identify what is misaligned. What is not aligned with who we are at centre. We may first need to clarify what it is we seek to do and why. Because many cannot yet differentiate between what is more fully aligned with their centre, versus all that does not resonate with their centre. They are still unaware.

Like anything else, sex can be a great good -- that is, fully aligned (authentically loving and committed). Or it may be profoundly wrong -- that is, fully misaligned (utilitarian, exploitative, deceptive in aim, and/or coerced). As to which, that depends fully on each of us.

Peace & blessings
7L

[Baile]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

What you said about the karma bit to Marie is no doubt true as well. We are here to raise up the good (i.e., what is aligned with who we are at centre). Or, put another way, we are here to elevate all that is, and to bring what is not aligned with Spirit more fully into alignment. By simply being the change we desire to see in the world.

Often it's become apparent that as a part of raising up the good, we often have to first identify what is misaligned. What is not aligned with who we are at centre. We may first need to clarify what it is we seek to do and why. Because many cannot yet differentiate between what is more fully aligned with their centre, versus all that does not resonate with their centre. They are still unaware.

Yes, that is very true. And getting back to the topic here, one spends a great deal of their early years dealing with their pre-birth karma contracts, or so it seems. In my life, it was in my 40's that I felt released from all that finally. I was free to get on with new life tasks and new karmic activities: raising up the good now, from a place of lightness, the opposite of slogging through heavy past-life karma stuff.

[Gemcrusader]

I think, or have experienced that the previous life, before this one, is the most apparent. Housing mostly in the unconscious, which is the part to integrate with who u are now. And yes this a very slow process. Which is fine.