Why Are We Even Here?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Nowayout

I am
We are
The weave is intricate.

Yah, I relate to the 'depth' of your comment(s), waylaid person. But I think Seth's YCYOR 'point' still pertains in the sense that you (we each) have the power to 'design' and 'sew' whatever kind of 'clothes' we wish to from said 'weave' - without which we'd just be 'naked' 'nothings' - maybe?

It may, can IMO, help to 'see' where you and I and 'we' are through the lens of eons and eons of multigenerationally 'creative' reincarnation (Seth speak of the 'fabric' of all existence etc.)

One point comes to mind to suggest considering and possibly celebrating and feeling happy about in our present context: 'we' ain't reptilian 'dinosaurs' any more - not all of us that is!

[Nowayout]

Well, I still look green on some mornings after that epic night out.

We are all innocent in robs of flesh.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by davidsun

The short answer is: "See, or rather feel, 'em for yourself!" You have the 'power' to do so.

However, since I assume your Q is sincere, here are some possible clues.
There are many variations (as in 'colors' of 'light') in terms of what the word 'love' is taken to sign. Merriam-Webster's 'defines' (i.e. de-finite-izes it) to mean:

"Definition of love:

1 a (1) : strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties; i.e. maternal 'love' for a child

(2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by 'lovers'; i.e. After all these years, they are still very much in 'love'.

(3) : affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests; i.e. 'love' for his old schoolmates

b : an assurance of affection; i.e. give her my 'love'

2 : warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion; i.e. 'love' of the sea

3 a : the object of attachment, devotion, or admiration; i.e. baseball was his first 'love'

b (1) : a beloved person : darling —often used as a term of endearment

(2) British —used as an informal term of address

4 a : unselfish loyal and benevolent (see benevolent 1a) concern for the good of another: such as
(1) : the fatherly concern of God for humankind
(2) : brotherly concern for others

b : a person's adoration of God

5 : a god (such as Cupid or Eros) or personification of 'love'

6 : an amorous episode : a 'love' affair

7 : the sexual embrace : copulation

8 : a score of zero (as in tennis)

9 capitalized, Christian Science : god"

And, for 'Joy', Merriam-Webster's lists:

"Definition of joy

1 a :the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires : i.e. 'delight'

b :the expression or exhibition of such emotion : i.e. 'gaiety'

2 :a state of happiness or felicity : i.e. 'bliss'

3 :a source or cause of delight"
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I personally find exemplary instances, which are unmistakable indicators, to be the most revealing. For example, when wondering what Jesus could possibly have meant by statements such as: "Verily I say unto you, Except ye ... become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." (note: my idea of 'heaven' is a thought and feeling 'state' of 'pure' Love and Joy), I project a 'vision' of kids and/or puppies and/or kittens playing and hanging out together. 'Empathizing' with what I think and feel they (must be?) experiencing and expressing 'gives' me all the 'answers' (to the above-stated Q) that I need.

Of course, Love and Joy aren't so 'simply' accessed from an adult (i.e. more ex-peer-ienced and response-ably engaged) platform - 'condition'ing is such a 'bugger' (think of a 'bug' or 'glitch' in a 'computer program'!. )

That being said, here's a video from which you might get a 'contact' 'high' in said regard from which I feel reasonably sure you can derive what 'pure' 'Love and Joy' mean, Note: 'equality' in terms of functional capacity, or 'similarity' in terms of 'person'ality or 'social status' etc., is not a prerequisite.

http://dogs.pawpulous.com/2017/05/22...ld&up=20170616

P.S. I thot I thaw a puddy tat! I mean, I think I 'saw' (felt?) a 'spark' of Love and Joy 'shine' between you and your repartee-buddy in the course of your recent displayed-for-the-all-the-world-includinf-U-2-to-feel-and-see-interaction. Surely, you must have experienced that, Bro!

Little children are constantly learning. They accept things as they are without judgement, or labels. Sometimes they wrangle the other little childrens necks and bully them, lol children can be so brutal at times, but regardless I think what was meant is the child like learning state of mind.

it matches what some zen masters and hindu masters say, that we must look at the world without labeling it.

[Ariaecheflame]

I am here to experience the ultimate freedom of LOVE while living a human experience on earth.

Why are you here?

[Ariaecheflame]

Originally Posted by shivatar

Little children are constantly learning. They accept things as they are without judgement, or labels. Sometimes they wrangle the other little childrens necks and bully them, lol children can be so brutal at times, but regardless I think what was meant is the child like learning state of mind.

it matches what some zen masters and hindu masters say, that we must look at the world without labeling it.

The Psychology and science fields are finally starting to realise that the adult human brain learns much more effectively and efficiently if lessons are fun, engaging and interactive ... just as a childs brain learns.

I certainly learn and absorb more efficiently when I am having fun.

[revolver]

Originally Posted by emeraldheart

I am here to experience the ultimate freedom of LOVE while living a human experience on earth.

Why are you here?

I am here for the same reason as you.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by shivatar

Little children are constantly learning. They accept things as they are without judgement, or labels. Sometimes they wrangle the other little childrens necks and bully them, lol children can be so brutal at times, but regardless I think what was meant is the child like learning state of mind.

it matches what some zen masters and hindu masters say, that we must look at the world without labeling it.

Yes, indeedy. I just wish to emphasize that LOVE and JOY are 'key' elements (motives?) to get in touch with for said learning process to be really be child-like fun! 'Judgment' and 'labeling' (children have fun with those things too!) tend to lead 'adults' to grouchy-grinchiness because they get mentlly and emotionally caught up in only 'loving' (and so only 'enjoying') what they regard as being 'better' (or 'the best') and 'hating' and 'lamenting' what they regard as being 'worse' (or 'the worst').

Kids and puppies love and enjoy pretty much whatever they are come across and in that sense feel that they are 'given' to play with. I imagine they would even wholeheartedly enjoy being with you without any 'judgmental' reservation, Shivatar. I wonder if there's any chance your could 'arrange' to be around and interact with some of them? It occurs to me some of the 'zen' 'learning' you speak of might then spontaneously 'happen'.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by revolver

I know my place, right where i am.

So do i.

[spiritualll]

One of the reasons we might be here: We have rebelled against God and fallen from a higher sphere. We chose to separate from God.(who knows for what reasons?)

Our planet, called Gaia by many sources, was meant to be a paradise. It was attacked by fallen beings, which found an inroad into our consciousness.

The great civilizations of the past, Atlantis and Lemuria are a distant memory from those times of glory.

There are 2 schools of thought: there are those who believe that everything was perfect in the eternity, God was only love and the luciferian rebellion not necessary because evil cannot coexist with good the same way darkness is gone when there is true light. Also, they believe that the universe is perfect without evil, because evil does not bring balance, instead there is yin and yang to bring balance. Evil is a primary anomaly in the universe.

There is the second school, which believes that evil is necessary for the sake of diversity, this is how we grow, etc. According to them our planet has been an experiment. Dark and light are necessary. By experiencing darkness this is how we truly evolve, etc. There are even those who go far enough to say that Lucifer was the bringer of freedom for humanity.

[revolver]

I think when we ask questions like, why are we here, only come sup when we are still immature, when we become awakened we don't need to ask such questions. The awakened one knows that we are all one with the source, and that everything is just the way it should be, there is no evil or good, that is only our own perception.

Its like if we were at school, and we look down on the lower graders because they don't know as much as we do, again, a mature student would know that he himself was once in the lower grade, and that there is even more he must learn himself.