How do the Catholics defend the Inquisition?

[IamSoul49]

Hello All

Ok - so this may sound strange to some - but let it sink in,and Im sure you will see the truth of it....Two undeniable facts...

Fact no1: ALL "christain religions" are catholic - as in they ALL follow a "bible" of one form or another - and that bible itself,was manufactured BY the the MEN of the institution we now call the RC church....Ergo,anybody who adheres to that bible scripture alone,is by definiton,a catholic,and that is true no matter what other names their professed sect chooses,still,they are all based on the same set of scripture - based of course on the old hebrew religion that came first..All "christian religions" follow this core old testamant,plus the later new testamant - and that later addition of scripture was MANUFACTURED by the rc church at the first nicea council...So,undeniably - all "christian denominatons" folow catholic core doctrine....

Fact 2; No "catholic" is actually a true Christian...Indeed - no "religious christian" or bible follower,is a TRUE Christian either..NONE of them know Christ - if they did,then they would follow HIS teaching - and that would immediatly put them at odds with any and all "organised religions"....He did not come here to start a new fad,a new sect in His name - He came to abolish all that and replace it with a teaching where no such institution is even needed,and in fact HE told us clearly,that following such men and "spiritual leaders" was to be avoided,turned away from - especialy the core foundational element - the "pharisee" tradition of the hebrew god yahweh/jehovah - entirely wrong "god" He said,not the Father at all...

Here,I will remind us all of crucial facts - the "pharisee" tradition of His day,simply changed into the ROMAN catholic church - for actually,this was indeed,a MILITARY organisation and not a spiritual endeavour at all...Hence,all the wars,conquests and "crusades" - blind sided us with "spiritual imperative",but really,just a military campaign of domination....

The catholic church was formed by a roman emporer to quell civil unrest across his conquered lands..Understand here,the jewish faith,pharisee tradition - literally tore itself apart with Christ - HE rose from the dead and proved His truth just as intended,and this absolutely fractured their core phairsee hold on truth....MANY MANY sects formed,almost overnight - within a few years there were dozens of such "religons" all claiming divine truth..The "leaders" of these sects..?..>WERE ONCE PHARISEES !!! ALL of them,came from the tradtional accepted truth of yahweh,and they tried as they may to now assimilate what Christ had said with that core belief system....Most of them though,never paid our Friend any credance in life at all - discounted His Divine claims entirely at first,and only truly embraced Him AFTER He transfigured and came before them again in spirit..Paul for instance - devout jew began to question AFTER an encounter with the risen Christ - this happened to many people - the disciples of course as well - and as they began to tell of these ressurrecntion encounters,so the truth finally dawned fo ra great many who now accepted Him when before they mocked...A true "crisis of faith" like a shockwave through the phairsees,it splintered them,fractured them,and many new "truths " arose beciasye of it ....

After His death,His truth became truly undeniable - for here was a man they murdered,and yet,He appears to hundreds again AFTER His death.....It was because of these "supernatual events" and His miracles in life of course,that Christ is so enduring,so captivating...All saw His Divine truth and so the jewish nation tore itself apart trying to make sense of it....

The result was,as we know - countelss minor sects,all claiming truth - all pitted aganst each other for supremacy - and all still under roman domination of course...This infighting carried on for a little over THREE HUNDRED YEARS - until eventualy rome got tired of the malarky,ordered all the leaders together,and basically dictated to them what their "religion" was allowed to be - an unltmatum was ordered,follow this one new "catholic church " with emporer Constanitne as absolute authority of course,or be wiped out by romes MILITARY might..And so the core pharisee traditn simply changed - embraced the events of Christ - changed His truth to make it seem like they still had "legitimate spiritual authoirty",as if it was granted from the Father Christ spoke of,whilst all the while they hunted down His ORIGINAL truth,and simply eradicated it in this manner - torture,murder any and all who know Divine truth,and replace it with "catholic truth" always......Hence,to this day,"christians" follow the hebrew god yahweh still,and yet that was never Our Father - not according to Christ...

All this came about because of that "god" yahweh and its agents here among us....NOT the Father that Christ reveals to us,but a lesser power mad,jealous vengeful Angel,masquerading as supreme but it never was He said...Hence,Christ said,the core foundation is false,flawed,turn from it,shun it,forget it He said..

And so I tell you All truthfully - all bible adherants ARE catholic even if they dont claim that title - they all call themself "christian" but all bible adherants are NOT actual followers of Chirst - they are folowers of man and man made truth from that first Nicea meeting...The catholic institution is wholly bogus - and at the top echalons of its heirachy,they must fully know and appreciate this - for lets not forget here - it was they themselves who hunted out Divine truth and took it from us All....THEY even to this day with hold that truth from us,dare not show us the ORIGINAL teaching of Christ,and spent all romes power destroying that truth and hiding it from us...THEY hold ORIGINAL disciple gosples that tell a very different account to the ones they sancioned as "canon truth"...Very different indeed...NOT the Father...

So - the OP question then - how do they reconcile the atrocious acts..?...They dont even try - they did them with purpose and intent to silence truth,to bolster their own power and status - and of course this contiunes even today....Make no mistake here - none of these "christian religions" that bare His name,are from Christ Himself...NONE of them,for He said clearly,they are to be avoided entirely - come to HATE the parents ways HE said...In closing,I will remind us All of some key things He said about such institutional worship...Remember,they are all based on the pharisee way..From Thomas..

39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so.

100. They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, "The Roman emperor's people demand taxes from us."
He said to them, "Give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, give God what belongs to God, and give me what is mine."

102. Jesus said, "Damn the Pharisees! They are like a dog sleeping in the cattle manger: the dog neither eats nor lets the cattle eat."

So we see very clearly from the things He said directly - He depsised the pharisee tradtion,warned us against it repeatedly....Likewise,He tells us jus as clearly,He has no affiliation with that Hebrew god - give the emporer what is his He said - give the god what is his as well - and then come,give Me that which is mine....Clearly we see,He is seperate and not from that hebrew god at all...And yet as we know,ALL the religuons that bare His name,STILL follow that god,still follow that "pharisee way"...Not Our Father....We should put the bible down and forget that god entirely...For any hwo doubt this,then please - read the gospel of JUDAS - and see actually that Judas did not betray our Friend as we believed and are taught,but essentially,did that which Christ had directly bidden him to do - and see also a prophecy about this future church that we now have - the church that is evil,corrupt,deceitful and leading poeple away from Our Father - all this was forewarned in a shared vision that is recounted in Judas gospel,CENTURIES before this church even existed,Christ warned of the things to be done in His name...For those with ears to hear as He said...

[DaiBach]

I quite like the Carholics that I've met; very kind, upstanding Christian members of our community.

Historically, there are quite a few good Catholic role-models; Arthur, Brian Boru, Macsen Wledig, Hywel ap Owain, Leonardo DeVinci and Michael Angelo to name but a few.

[IamSoul49]

Hello All...

Dai Bach; Yer,Im sure they are all nice people out in public - but those who rule the organisation itself..?...Can we say the same for them..?..The church is one of the richest institutions in the world,yet many of its followers live in absolute poverty and starvaton whilst its pope sits on gold thones and the lap of luxury..And we all know of its moral truth dont we..?..More paedophile scandals in this institution that any other before...enough said really....

Of those you mention though - Ive never heard of the first few - but the two most prominant,Leo and Michael - can hardly be called "catholics" - and indeed,if their truth has surfaced in their own lifetimes,then they would be known now as heretics,and we would be lamenting their deaths at the hands of the church..

Truth is,MichelaAngelo,was forced to accept catholic church as everyone was of course - the whole of civilisation was so forced,or else risk becoming a "heretic" and being disposed of in the manner outlined above...They made sure they had an absolute strangle hold on "truth" of every pursuasion....Truth here though,is that Michaelangelo,did NOT follow catholic doctrine and did not see "god" the same way the bible teaches...Not at all...He encoded many many secret messages in his work thatshow his true beief system and how his mind works - many of these secrets would have got him killed for such "blasphemy"...Check out for instance,these here - secret messages embedded in his most famous artwork - we soon see that his god is not the god of the bible teachng - and he knew this - realised such a belief would get him killed by this religon,so he his his truth - for those with "eyes to see"..lol..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-dou..._b_586531.html

So too,for Leonardo of course - who again was forced for sake of allowance,to PROFESS a catholic world view in public - but in private,his views were anything but bible based...In fact,he based all his truth on the "reasoning mind" and Divine intellect,and indeed,held his own intellect as ultimate mortal truth..The church promoted "blind faith in an unseen god",and this was something that was apparantly abhorant to leonardo,who based all truth on "reason and things proved"..

http://www.deism.com/davinci.htm

[DaiBach]

I've usually found the monks, nuns, priests, teachers, bishops and archbishops OK too.

I'm sure that it'll come as a bit of a surprise to the billion or so Catholics in the world that they're not Christians. It reminds me of the Protestant Plantations in Ireland during the 16th and 17th centuries. The Protestent English and Scottish (who, presumably where Christians) felt comfortable in putting whole populations to the sword because they were Catholic, so not proper Christians.

Saints Patrick and David would also be confused to find out that they were not Christians. And what about every Christian in western Europe from the forth century to the fourteenth, who were all Catholic? They'd be most disappointed, I'm sure, to discover that they were not Christian.

As for poor old St. Francis and not so old Mother Teresa - not Christian!

[engellstein]

Extremist Islam is pre-industrial revolution Christianity 2.0.

No one that claims to be Christian has a right to speak out against Muslim terrorists. Because those Christians belong to religions that were filled with terrorists back in the day, and even some today.

No Catholic has a right to an opinion. Until they renounce that godless religion they have no right to freedom of speech or any other benefits of first world society.

Catholics and Protestants alike are mindless animals that long to destroy the world and the lives of their neighbors.

All religion should be destroyed.

[IamSoul49]

Hello All

Dai Bach; Yes - all well and good - but nevertheles - facts remain facts - truth remains truth...They ALL follow a man made bible that bares little resemblance to that which Christ ACTUALLY said in the ORIGINAL gospels - therefore logic tells us plainly,they are not actually following Christ or His truth,but man and mans countrfeit truth....

And so it is rather undeniable isnt it..?..Not actual CHRISTians - but rather should be termed "churchians" as they are not following Christ,but instead folow church,and church truth....Just because the vast masses are tricked an duped,and remain ignorant of this fact,does not make it any less true...The authentic follower of Christ,needs no intermediary,no priest or rabbi - they have "ears to hear" directly as He termed it - and his teachng will indeed sho wus how...Compared to a church teacing,that places church as intermediary authoirty in all spiritual matters,and so ensures its own power and status comes first at all times,and Divine truth doesnt get alook in....

And of course - we havent even addressed the base error it self - the reason WHY Christ said avoid the religon,pharisee -come to despise and hate it HE said - and He said that because it is NOT GOD - He made it very clear -spelled it all out,step by step - who and what the Father is - laid out next to who and what this yahweh is - anyone can read it for themselves noiwadays in the ORIGINAL gospel of John...Known as SECRET john of course,as this church killed any who knew this truth,as Chirst explains everything there start to finish...The churh tried to destroy the truth,so John gospel became "secret",and was replaced by church edited texts (as they all were) at that first nicea meeting....And so John who is a saint,is also a "gnostic heretic" - and the church is seen for the two faced hypocrit it always was....They literally INVENTED the canon,made it up out of hundreds of PRE EXISTANT first hand manuscripts - and then of course,they destroyed the originals and kiled all who knew of them...

As said,they literally replaced Christ truth with a "bible truth" - so of course then,any who follow the bible alone as sole authority,simply cannot be called an ACTUAL Christian,can they,as simply they dont ACTUALY have Christ TRUTH - do they..?....

The hebrew god is not Our Father...The OLD testamant is of THAT god alone...The NEW testamant,is a half truth,based on Christ,but twisted to keep that establushed religion,firmly in power and status...

Look - any who doubt this - use your own infallable logic here - remeber,He already tod us in HIS day,be wary o the pharisee He said,they will lie to you and with hold truth (check Hi squote above) - pharisee became catholic church as said - and look - WHAT did the catholic church ACTUALLY DO...?????

exactly as Christ ALREADY WARNED us they would do - they took the truth,hid it,and wont allow ANY to have it - exactly what He warned us of in Thomas !!!

Really - we should stop listening to church - start listening to Christ - He knows EVERYTHING,and already told us all we need to know

[sky]

Anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus is a Christian regardless of the name of what religion they follow.

It's the actions not the name thats important.

[sky]

Originally Posted by engellstein

Extremist Islam is pre-industrial revolution Christianity 2.0.

No one that claims to be Christian has a right to speak out against Muslim terrorists. Because those Christians belong to religions that were filled with terrorists back in the day, and even some today.

No Catholic has a right to an opinion. Until they renounce that godless religion they have no right to freedom of speech or any other benefits of first world society.

Catholics and Protestants alike are mindless animals that long to destroy the world and the lives of their neighbors.

All religion should be destroyed.

Nobody has the right to judge either......

[Amilius777]

Catholicism is a HUGE Tree with so many branches unlike other denominations.

It includes: Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmleites, Laymen, Deacons, Saints, and more I don't know about

The Dominican order created the Inquisition during those Dark and ignorant times. If you read the history they even went after Catholics who thought differently. It was about power, control, and Imperial stability; less about religion

But Religion has been especially as of recent a source of a lot of evil in the world. It has and we need to admit that, but religion is not "the" source of evil. The source of all evil comes from "self-centeredness" and all depending on what degrees


The biggest difference between Catholicism and other denominations is based on a lot of beliefs. One of the reasons I stayed with my Catholic Tradition is the fundamental difference on Jesus' purpose vs what other denominations believe.

Most of you don't know this but Catholicism has an older doctrine as to why Jesus died which in my opinion is closer to the heart of following Christ;

God offered up his Son (his Self in the form of a man) to be in solidarity with our suffering and with sinners to show his universal love- and by this Love we are healed and we turn from our old ways to God's way by gazing on the "Crucified One".

That is a generalization or modern way of putting it. Jesus allowed himself to die to show the world that God is with us in our suffering, God suffers in all of us because he Loves us all and at the end of the tunnel there is a Resurrection. Jesus put aside his ego and physical self to fulfill a Higher will- and align with a higher Self- (with God).

This two way sided coin (the divine side)- God/Christ showing his Love for us all, and (the human side) Jesus the man laying down his ego for a greater purpose of spiritual evolution and oneness.

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Catholics have never accepted this awful histories. Remember they were the only Church for the longest time. They have the most blood on their hands during those times. But remember Protestantism is just as responsible. It was Protestantism that fueled the destruction of the American Indian, the conquest of the British Empire across the world, the sufferings in India, the KKK, White Supremacy, and much more.

No religion is immune

[DaiBach]

I've never met a Catholic who has supported the inquisition or the Crusades. I have, however, met Protestants who think that the Crusades where great and that the Crusaders where the bees knees.

Mind, I've never met a Protestant who has supported their churches' stance on the persecution and burning of witches and priests.

Yes, there are bad Catholics, just like there are bad Muslims, bad Buddhists or bad Protestant choir masters. Just because historically it's been dangerous to send your male child to choir practice in a cathedral, doesn't mean that all choir masters are bad.

Every single western Christian has had their version of Christianity handed down to them through generations of Christians, the earliest being Catholic Christians, like Patrick and David - without whom (and all their Celtic brethren on the western fringes of Europe), Christianity would have been lost to us all.