Our Father who art in Heaven - jehovah isnot your name

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..
For a long long while,we have been misinformed..I have said a few paces now,there is discrepancy between the bible and that which Yeshua says directly..Here,i will lay it out in full..

Jehovah,is NOT the Father that Yeshua (jesus) will later speak about - 2 entirely different entities..Jehovah is an EGOIC demigod - created being exactly the same as you or I,only preceeding us in the creatin order..he is NOT though,the Divine source of Creation itself..

Jehovah has identical qualities to any mortal man..He is vengful,spiteful and outright nasty at times - even tells us outright he is a "jealous god and you shall have no other god before me"..See - he even admits that OTHER GODS EXIST,same as him,except we are forbidden by him,to even approach any others..Jehovah is fallable,judgemental,biassed..When he decided we were "wicked" and corrupt,he didnt try rehabilitation or reconcilliation - he tried ANHIALATION !! He sent a flood to wipe us out,all in the name of "his love" we are told...

And thats the point -what we are told in the BIBLE,is NOT what Yeshua actually had to say about it - not at all..I advise reading especially,the gospels of Thomas and Judas..Here you will see Yeshua recount all of creation - how and why it happened..Right through from the true Fathers FIRST MANIFESTATION - explaining how jehovah and his realms came about,how jehovah,a demigod with same creative potential,sets about creating US here,mortal man,and how this is a mistaken act,requiring the Father source of all,to take direc intervention,Christ in mortal form,in order to rectify JEHOVAHS MISTAKE !!

Really do go read it for yourselves..Its truly fascinating and more than a little revealing..On the one side,the bible..Tells us jehovah is supreme,creates Angels,heavens,man and earth..One Angel,Lucifer,is jealous we are told,challenges this supremacy,is kicked out of heaven,and so,man is stuck with him down here,leading us all astray..we get the classic serpant garden of eden scenario and all that follows..

But listen now: Yeshua,never mentions any of that..This aspect of an "evil devil" doesnt even get a look in at all..Not in the way youd expect anyway..As far as yeshua is concerned,there is nothig "evil" to worry about,doesnt mention it at all..
Yeshua tells the disciples directly,that the Father is ABSTRACT<FORMLESS,and CANNOT BE KNOWN by any mortal being..He says that as soon as we start to describe the Father,we immediately start to LIMIT it,to make it conform to that given definition..He says the Father is beyond any mortal notions,is truly INFINATE,boundless and a MORTAL mind can never appreciate this new understanding,is not currently able even,to comprehend it..

At no time does Yeshua EVER refer to the Father by any GIVEN NAME - because again,a name,is a DESIGNATION - a definition - and the Father is source of ALL DEFINITION..YEshua is speaking about the SOURCE OF CREATION,the METAPHYSICS of how it works..

The bible sees god as a MAN,with manlike egoic wants and desires..Yeshua explains the Father is beyond all such concerns entirely..Yeshua speaks openly of a DIVINE MIND - a perspective of SELF..He is not speaking of a seperate entity - a man or demigod in a heaven - He is speaking of a subjective awareness of your own existance - a mindset..

Ok - so a little esoteric knowledge "one on one" is needed here: Yeshua tells the disciples,this Divine mind the Father,realises its own existance,and this literally created a Divine Light..As this realisatoin dawned,very first thoughts,the Father also beocmes aware of its own WISDOM,understanding fully,this Light now shining forth,IS the creation of His own awareness,a symbol and representation OF it..Thus,the very Light iself,IS the Fathers Wisdom..This aspect of the Father,is traditonally,seen as FEMININE,and is known as Sofia..

The Father realises the Light can form images,patterns,OBJECTS,and so,the process of creation unfolds,each new realisation of Self,literally bringing into being,a symbolic representation of that awareness..This first realm of Creation,the Fathers true abode,is known as Barbello..As it filled this realm with its creations so too it realised fully what it was doing,each new creation bringing further understanding of SELF..This aspect of the Father,the dynamic creating force,is the MALE,the Christ mind,or Logos,and will eventually come directly to inhabit the mortal body of Yehua for reasons that will become apparant..

Now,we are speaking here of a DIVINE MIND that creates from its own source,Self arising,VIRGIN,orignal conception..Sofia,the first aspect,shares this creative potential - as do all creatures with a mind - and she,quite by accident,brings forth a being,all by herself,without the involvement at all of her male Christ counterpart..Yeshua said at that time,she lacked forethought,and her raw potential,unguarded,created the being,but it was malformed,not integrated with the whole realm as it was indeed,NOT created BY the Christ but by Sofia alone..

Sofia creates this being that is truly seperate from the rest of creation and when she realises this error,she is ashamed..SHE is the one who "casts out of heaven" - and it is JEHOVAH,the created demigod,who is expelled !! Sofia creates a ream "below" or outside of Barbelo,and literally banishes jehovah there alone,ashamed,so that no other true Divine will know she has made a mistake..She even creates another form of Divine light,to literally HIDE her mistake..See any comparisons yet..?..Divine Beings being kicked out of heaven because of shame and arrogance..?..

Now jehovah the demigod,newly created,awakes in a realm where he is alone,void and emtpy..HERE,is where our Bible Genesis begins..Alone,yet DIVINE with the same creative powers as all Divine beings..HE quite naturally,starts to create his world,his angels,his heavens..Now so far,jehovah quite rightly,believes he is the supreme diety,because look,he awoke to himself alone,and he created all things in his world,so yes,he sees himself as "top dog"..Sometime AFTER he creates Angels and heavens for himself - but BEFORE he creates mortal man here on earth - there is an event happens that absolutely shatters his world and his delusions completly..

In the realm of Barbello,the true heaven,abode of the Father,the true DIVINE MAN IS CREATED..Known and named by Yeshua as ADAMUS..(as all things in existance are NAMED by Christ,the WORD,literally giving form and definition to that existance intended)..THIS,is our "destiny",what we are SUPPOSED TO BE !! We are truly a cherished creature it seems,for Yeshua says that when the Father created Adamus the Divine Humanaform,ALL OF CREATION proclaimed His glory,the perfection of the creation !!

And here it gets interesting,for many reasons - not least of which,is us,we mortals,are about to enter the picture..In jehovahs realm,they become aware of this Divine creation event - and for the very first time jehovah and his angels are AWARE OF OTHER DIVINE BEINGS !!! Until this event,all the Angels quite rightly saw jehovah as the supreme deity,as he did himself,all ignorant of anything around them save their own manifestations - their realm being seperate,purposefully hidden..Yet more obvious comparisons here:

One Angel,Lucifer,wishes to go above to this new realm and investigate,see their kin,and obviously to know all they can about this tremendous POWER above them..Remember,the Adamus event is truly stupendous Christ says,the culmination of PERFECTION !! Lucifer realises immediately that jehovah doesnot posess that power,is NOT the sourceof that power..HERE,we see the proclamation by jehovah - Iam a jealous god,and YOU shall have NONE before me !! They all know these others exist now,no denying it..Jehovah is fearful of his dominant position,and so FORBIDS Lucifer and the Angels from ascending - and so the trouble begins..

In an effort to prove authority,jehovah gathers his Angels,and declares to them - Let US,make MAN in OUR IMAGE !! - a poor attempt to mimick the Fathers perfect creation - And so,we mortals are created,the Earth and all that surrounds us..Now,Christ never mentions Lucifer again - it realy doesnt seem important to HIM at all,so why the church made such a big deal of him is anyones guess - I know a plausable answer..Lucifer wanted to ASCEND TO THE FATHER,knowing jehovah was BOGUS,and eventually I guess,confrontng him directly over it..Maybe he got kicked out of jehovahs heaven,and the whole Angelic war is real - but I DOUBT IT,as I`ll explain..Either way,when Lucifer gave us KNOWLEDGE of good and evil,he was really showing us who the TRULY Divine really are and really doing us a huge Divine favour..

Eventually,jehovah himself,is so troubld by this Power above him,so puzzled by it,that HE HIMSELF,goes to investigate..Jehovah finally meets his TRUE SOURCE,and is so awestruck by the complete Divine Presence,that immediately,he realise his errors,and is fully REPENTANT of his earlier claims to supremacy..Even in the bible this is reflected,with at times jehovah being the egoic cruel god even demanding sacrifice and murder - and others,doing his best to guide humanity benevolantly offering love and communion..Jehovah goes through a definate transformation in the bible - a true SPIRITUAL AWAKENING,according to Yeshua directly..Jehovah is so ashamed of his errors and his actions here,that he tries to destroy his mistaken creations,us mortals,life here - and thus we have Noahs flood and that scenario playing out..Meanwhile,the Father assures jehovah,do NOT destroy us,send the CHRIST,to rectify the mistake - JOIN and MERGE,jehovahs creation,with the Fathers,as ONLY the Christ power can achieve this..Thus we have PROPHECY from end to end,foretelling all this from the Divine perspective,as to THAT MIND,it was one single event,one timeline in creation..By the time our bible was written,the whole HEAVENLY event had happened,jehovah knew his mistake and had already taken steps to set things right..

Thus,we are told even at the beginning,the Christ will come - is needed,vital - for without Him coming directly to a MORTAL FORM,then this entire realm,remained seperate and isolated from the rest of metaphysical creation..Christ came to "save us" from jehovahs ignorance primarily,and our own ignorance also,tying our very Soul - giving it the opportunity - to merge back to the TRUE SOurce,and acheive our own Divine Self..

A truly fascinating saga,dont you think..?..Not at all what the modern church tells us - but it is available first hand - Gnostic gospels - convenianlty left out of the "sanctioned bible"..Sanctioned by WHO..?..BY MAN !!..And sanctioned WHY..?..To keep bogus power in mans hands,so that the society need priests and clergy to come to know this god they all worship..And of course,the actual search for and the REALISATION of Divinity,is the only TRUE POWER one person can ever hold - it is the driving force behind all life - to KNOW THE SELF..Thus the religion manipulates that power from you,gladly you give it,believeing they will give you truth of this Divinity in return..They DO NOT because they CAN NOT..Even if they understood,they WOULD NOT..WHY..?..Because once you know who you truly ARE,they can never have AUTHORITY over you,their power and status is gone in an instant of realisation..

The god of the bible is most clearly not the god of love - most definately NOT the Father and source of all creation that Yeshua speaks of..Christ came,saved us from ignorance,and so doing relaimed not only a "fallen creation",but also,a fallen,ignorant creator -jehovah the demigod..He came good in the end,repented his "wicked ways" - but because he is a CREATURE,same as you and I,he has EGOIC MIND - and so to hide his failings he passes them off on others,Lucifer,fallen Adam and eve etc etc...

Take one thing from all this though,hold it close and never let go - realise it and life will never trouble you again..Christ said,when the Divne Man Adamus,was created,the Father realised perfection - and this state of Being is what WE here are destined to BECOME - Christs direct intervention,absolutely guarantees our place with the Father..even if yet we dont understan dor accept ANY of this at all..Even the most base human being imaginable,heinous despicable low lfe - they too,are GUARANTEED this communion..Eventually,we will all realise our true Self,as see,we are all literally,of the "same mind",and so it is just amatter of experience,remeberance,allowing

[RabbiO]

Originally Posted by PeteC-UK

Hi Folks..
For a long long while,we have been misinformed.........

There is no deity in Hebrew scripture whose name is Jehovah. There is no devil in Hebrew scripture, let alone in the story of the Garden of Eden. There is no angel in Hebrew scripture named Lucifer in Hebrew scripture.

B'shalom,

Peter

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Rabbi; "There is no deity in Hebrew scripture whose name is Jehovah."

I know that - but firstly I am reffering to the BIBLE here,a CHRISTIAN text,not jewish at all - but nevertheless,that name is the ENGLISH transliteration,and both disciplines are referring to the same deity..I could justa s easy say Yahweh I guess,or together,Elohim,it is the same "personality",same entity..

"There is no devil in Hebrew scripture, let alone in the story of the Garden of Eden."

I know THAT too - the devil as WE know it,is a christian addition,as I explained..Yeshua pays no attention to him other tha to say the Angel wished to ascend and jehovah forbids it..Anything else,is purely "christian" religious - all a part of the purposeful misinformation..The jews actually had a rich and detailed demonology,vamoires and everything - but no satan as we have it..

They do have a "fallen angel" named Azazel - which incidentally,just happens to mean SCAPEGOAT hence our western devil,is often depicted as half man half goat - the goat of mendes - most assuredly taken directly from the jewish mythos..

The SERPANT is attributed to be the devil,this "fallen angel" - yet in all likely hood,this is allegory for ones own inherant Divine energy,also known in the east,as Kundalini,and in the Bible as "the Holy Ghost" - often caled fiery seprant,due to the sensation and coiled manner it adopts,like a snake - yet when unleashed,giving the individual full access to their own Divine mind - hence,the seprant is the "wisest in the garden"..Its ALL METAPHYSICAL IN ESSENCE !!!

Now some questions arise here..IF this god is THE god,supreme Pwer,source of ALL CREATION -then HOW does Adam and EVE,HIDE FROM HIM..?..Why did god HAVE TO ASK IF they had eaten the fruit or not..?..And IF Adam and Eve,are US HUMANS - then WHY did god have to make "cothes made of SKIN" for them after they are expelled..?..

Surely,if THIS god is THE god,Our Father supreme OMNIPOTANT DEITY that yeshua speaks of - then why cant he even find his creations..?..Why doesnt he know what they know..?..Why do they need SKIN..?..

The first two answers are simple: This god is not OMNIPOTANT,obviously for he doesnt know those things - certainly then,NOT the same entity that Yeshua is referring to at all..The skin question..?..Well,obviously,Adam and EVE ARE NOT MORTAL..

And see above where this demigod MIMICKS the true Divine man - Adamus - most obviously this part in the "garden of eden" is yet again,jehovah "passing the buck" changing the truth to favour his outlook and standing..Yhe two paralel scenarios are intermingled - but Christ is very clear - and the fact that the same proclamations are attributed to both this jehovah of the bible,and also,to this created demigod Christ explains - both proclaim their jealously,both forbid the others to have any other gods before them - for sure they are one and the same being - and thismeans that the god of the bible is in no way shape or form,the true source of all creation - absolutely not..

If we believe Yeshua Christ is a true representative of the true divine power,then we must put HIS DIRECT WORDS FIRST - and HE tells the disciples clearly of a "mistaken demigod,created in ignorance" and how He Christ,has come to rectify it..The god of the jews,and the god of the "christians" are indeed the same deity,but they are NOT the true Divine source,the Father of All..

Perhaps then,we see why the jews rejected Yeshua and ultimately,did away with Him...He told them staright,they worshipped a bogus deity,and so,their mortal authority was a sham,they had no right to their authority,and He challenged it directly,flouted their laws and customs,explained those very laws TO THEM,showed them clearly their blatant spiritual hypocracy,explaining everything from this new perspective where EVERYBODY was inheranlty,and ALREADY Divine,such that no priest clergy,rabbi,would ever be needed again - showing proof of His Divine claims in the form of dynamic MIRACLES,healing,RAISING THE DEAD,that those same priest and clergy and rabbis COULD NOT EVEN PERFORM !!

No wonder they were so desperate to silence Him - they went to their enemies the Romans,had Him murdered - and then decades later when both the jews and the romans found His teaching just would NOT go away,the TRUTH persisted,so Roman and jew,do a political deal - the famous council of Nicea,and the infamous RC church,modern christainity,is formed..A POLITICAL ORGANISATION designed to keep both factions,their respective MORTAL POWER,control and domination of the masses..The modern religion is the comlete OPPOSITE of what Christ explained,and those at the top undertsand this fully..

Now I expect here,the answer will be - ah but,the JEWS werent there,only CHRISTIAN Bishops - and whilst this is correct in name,in essence it is a grave mistake..See,at this point,there is no NEW TESTAMANT - none at all - ther eis NO BIBLE..ALL there is is two sects,jews and christians,sharing the SAME "WORD OF GOD",in the form of the OLD testamant..ALL the new parts are ADDED AT THIS COUNCIL - so in essence,YES,these new factions are identical,following the JEWISH traditon..This Nicea meeting,they literally weed out what is acceptable and what is not,desgined to keep thm all in POLITICAL POWER - and from this meeting,essentially jewish and roman,the RC church,modern christian bible is asembled..

ALL THSOSE OTHER GOSPELS - hundreds and hundreds of texts available - are purposefuly ommitted because they give information that directly exposes their bogus authirty - hence all the metaphysical wisdom is gone,all the idrect words of Christ - in their place,carefully vetted ,generalised accounts - enough to keep people hooked,but not enough for the message to be understood - for that,you must have a priest,clergy,rabbi,and they made sure this bogus system stuck ever since..All these other gospels,branded herasy,evil,people tortued,hunted,murdered,knowledge all but wiped out,just to keep their power and privalidge safe..DESPICABLE !!

In my opinion ALL deities and religions are human creations. It is possible a deity of some sort could exist in a realm, somewhere, but if so I don't think it connects with our world.

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Jesus said: "For they know 'not' what they are doing".

Do not be condescending of Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit at any time Pete K, for you know not what you are doing.

"Through Me you will know My Father", says Jesus.

"Only through Me will you come to know The Father", Jesus says.

Praise be to You our Dear Jesus Christ our Saviour, Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One have Mercy upon us and on the whole world.

Holy God+++, Holy Mighty One +++Holy Immortal One+++have Mercy upon us and on the whole world.

Praise be to You Dear God our Heavenly Father our Holy Mighty One from all people/Souls here on Earth proclaiming Thy Glory.

Further, Pete K, praying, fasting if healthy and repenting with a remorseful heart, is the way to go in Jesus/God speaking directly to our Hearts.

With this in mind, My Children, fast if healthy and repent with an open heart, focussing on My Son Jesus Christ your Saviour's Holy Cross and Stations of His Cross +++ immersing yourselves in His Passion, His Agonies, His Sorrows in order to receive Jesus into your Hearts further and speak to your Hearts".

"That is all" (with a tone of firmness and sadness).

kindest wishes your Sister in Christ

These are the vital things we should all be focussing on for our Souls to be saved on the Last Day; ie the Second Coming of Christ shortly.

Lack of repentance is what Jesus is most concerned about at present given the high number of Souls being lost to satan through people/souls' misconceptions, being misguided and not focussing on Jesus' Stations of His Cross praying and repenting for our Soul good.

We all meet our Heavenly Father and stay under our Heavenly Father's Holy Wing IF we repent with an open heart in remorse ie truly sorry and sorrowful for hurting Jesus/God's Heart.

God's Holy Scriptures and Holy Word are His Holy Guide

Refer to Jesus Christ our Saviour's/God's Holy Words through our Heavenly Mother on Medjugorje for well over 30 years to date.

Star of the Sea

I wonder how much of what Jesus is reputed to have said, actually came out of his mouth? If it did he was rather arrogant and his Mum should have given him a slap for being too full of himself!

For those interested in receiving Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit "speaking to all hearts directly" I suggest the following for all of your questions answered by God Himself;

. Praying the Holy Rosaries thrice daily, focussing on Jesus Holy Cross, Jesus Agonies, Jesus' Abandonment hour suffering in order to fully open up your Hearts to Jesus, in order to receive Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit speaking directly to your hearts.

. Repenting all sins at least once a month (from Childhood and Adulthood) praying and asking Jesus to 'call to mind my sins'.

. Praying Jesus Divine Mercy Chaplet in which Jesus appeared many many times to Saint Sister Faustina (Divine Mercy Diaries).

. Jesus/God's Holy Messages through our Heavenly Mother Mary on Medjugorje.

As I have said previously, when all of these things were being done during 2011 and 2012, our Heavenly Mother commenced speaking to my Heart. A week prior to Christmas, Jesus commenced speaking to my Heart.

Attending one of His Churches with His Tabernacles present is wonderful, focussing on His Holy Cross while praying assists greatly as does receiving Jesus/God's Eucharist/Host weekly or twice weekly and thanking Jesus for Dying on His Cross for all of us!

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Kindest wishes your Sister in Christ

Yeh right!

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I advise you strongly (for your own Soul good) never to degrade or insult Jesus, God, nor our Heavenly Mother Quirkybird,

"For you know not what you are doing" to your Soul nor to other Souls degrading our Heavenly Father, Heavenly Brother and Heavenly Mother whom created you Quirkybird.

Why post on Jesus' Christian Thread insulting our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother whom gave up His Life dying the most agonizing death any person could endure, for the sake of keeping God's world going,creating you and giving you thousands of Blessings in your Life and Soul journey Quirky Bird?

Why post on a Spiritual Forum degrading God?

As I said on a previous Thread in which Jesus quoted often through not only His Disciples, thousands of His Apostles 'to date';

"They know not what they are doing".

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Peace in your heart

I bathe you in Jesus' Holy Cross Quirkey Bird+++++++++++++++++++
and the love and peace I pray for you, of Jesus Christ our Saviour's flowing through your Heart, Mind, Body and Soul now and forever, Amen,

Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from all evil Amen.

Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from all evil Amen.

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