Understanding the Lords Prayer

[sky]

Originally Posted by Gem

Isn't it interesting that the kayagata-sutta, which the article tries to associate with chakra meditation, does not mention focusing on any particular part of the body, or chakra, or energy or anything related to it. The articlae's claim, "Specifically, kayagata-sati (mindfulness rooted in the body) involves paying constant attention to feelings around throat, chest, solar plexus, lower abdomen, etc," simply isnt true.

The sutta itself remains consistent with Buddha's meditation: 'He sits, permeating the body with a pure, bright awareness' (you can google the sutta for fuller context if you want to).

Buddha said, "Furthermore, the monk contemplates this very body " then he mentiones the elements 'In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property, these are chakra elements, then he says " This is how a monk develops mindfulness immersed in the body "

Is this Sutta about chakras? I think it is but not the same as in the Hindu tradition.

[sky]

Originally Posted by innerlight

That's an interesting concept. Does a belief system or religion allow itself to become open for interpretation, and updating, or does it remain the way it is? Perfect in how it was given.

Buddhism is open for interpretation, Buddha himself taught that you should not believe anything just because he said it etc:....
HHDL also is very open to change, " If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”

[Gem]

Originally Posted by sky123

Buddha said, "Furthermore, the monk contemplates this very body " then he mentiones the elements 'In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property, these are chakra elements, then he says " This is how a monk develops mindfulness immersed in the body "

Is this Sutta about chakras? I think it is but not the same as in the Hindu tradition.

The elements, Earth Wind Fire Water pertain to solidity or heaviness, 'airiness', temperature, and fluidity (though sometimes water is thought of as 'binding property'). This pertians mostly to teachings on kalapas, which make up all matter. I think it would be a stretch of the imagination to make these synonymous with chakras, which are energy centres situated along the midline of the body.

[jonesboy]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Gem

Was it Buddhas practice or one developed by Tibetan monks?

Why are you assuming it is Tibetan?

If you study Buddhism it incorporated many practices and beliefs from the regions it spread to.

That's not what Buddha taught, then.

It is exactly what the Buddha encouraged.

As Buddha’s teachings spread to different Asian lands and cultures, local people adapted those aspects that resonated harmoniously with their own indigenous beliefs. Thus, many forms of Buddhism developed, each with its own unique approach and style, but all retaining the most essential features of the teachings. This was in keeping with Buddha’s didactic method, which was to customize his message to suit the mentality of each of his disciples.

Here is a nice link to learn more about the history and how Buddhism spread.

https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan...es-of-buddhism

Yea, true, people do whatever they dream up and still call it 'Buddhism', even if Buddha never once mentioned it

You do realize that Mahayana Buddhism was taught in the same temples as Hinayana Buddhism. Same end points just different methods to get there.

Also, are you saying there has only ever been one Buddha? Saying so would disparage every other Buddhist tradition like Zen for instance. Also, the Pali Canon was just the first published teachings, not the only teachings if one would learn the history of Buddhism.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Gem

The elements, Earth Wind Fire Water pertain to solidity or heaviness, 'airiness', temperature, and fluidity (though sometimes water is thought of as 'binding property'). This pertians mostly to teachings on kalapas, which make up all matter. I think it would be a stretch of the imagination to make these synonymous with chakras, which are energy centres situated along the midline of the body.

Matter in Buddhism?

Emptiness is the true state is it not? Is not Energy the true state of all manifestation?

Because of folly they do not understand that all things are like Maya, like the reflection of the moon in water, that there is no self-substance to be imagined as an ego-soul and its belongings, and that all their definite ideas rise from their false discriminations of what exists only as it is seen of the mind itself. They do not realize that things have nothing to do with qualify and qualifying, nor with the course of birth, abiding and destruction, and instead they assert that they are born of a creator, of time, of atoms, of some celestial spirit. It is because the ignorant are given up to discrimination that they move along with the stream of appearances, but it is not so with the wise

http://buddhasutra.com/files/lankavatara_sutra.htm

[sky]

Originally Posted by Gem

The elements, Earth Wind Fire Water pertain to solidity or heaviness, 'airiness', temperature, and fluidity (though sometimes water is thought of as 'binding property'). This pertians mostly to teachings on kalapas, which make up all matter. I think it would be a stretch of the imagination to make these synonymous with chakras, which are energy centres situated along the midline of the body.

No it's not a stretch of imagination Gem when you understand Buddhism, each School has different customs as you know, what Buddha is referring to in the Sutta are the Natural Elements which are also named as chakras by some. Medical Qigong also refers to these elements but names them as meridions. Just different labels but referring to the same universal energy.

[davidmartin]

meanwhile, some of us Christians are getting ecstatically wrecked for Jesus emotionally through the overpowering presence of God, the non-intellectual path has its moments. the ecstacy of the mystic is quite a thing to ponder

[soarmind]

Jonesboy,

What is: the light is universal consciousness, and beyond the light is emptiness or the Tao?

Do you understand universal consciousness? So can you see the light which you claim that it's the consciousness and it's universal. What in this case is universal?

Where is beyond the light is emptiness? At what place is this light and what's beyond that light? Have you able see that's beyond?

What's Tao? In simple explanation Tao is the words then beyond that light is what words?

Tao is said by Taoism and Buddhism, this is not something or any place. So what's the Tao beyond the light? This is like a joke!

I can explain Tao this way: when a man attains the Tao(enlightenment and immortality), even his pets ascend to heaven. This is a Chinese proverb.

[soarmind]

Originally Posted by sky123

No it's not a stretch of imagination Gem when you understand Buddhism, each School has different customs as you know, what Buddha is referring to in the Sutta are the Natural Elements which are also named as chakras by some. Medical Qigong also refers to these elements but names them as meridions. Just different labels but referring to the same universal energy.

As I see from your post that Universal energy (light) is the physical energy so how jonesdoy think that it's universal consciousness? Are two of you just simply saying but they're both different types of thing or nothing of the ......you want to say.

The consciousness is one when you meditate and the senses of you that roaming inside your body. But you can't see yourself or your consciousness or light then how can jonesboy said it's universal consciousness or light? Light inside a body can't and never move along inside your body.

[sky]

Originally Posted by soarmind

As I see from your post that Universal energy (light) is the physical energy so how jonesdoy think that it's universal consciousness? Are two of you just simply saying but they're both different types of thing or nothing of the ......you want to say.

The consciousness is one when you meditate and the senses of you that roaming inside your body. But you can't see yourself or your consciousness or light then how can jonesboy said it's universal consciousness?

Ask jonesboy, he'll explain in his way.