A joyous Hell???

So, I am a person who has prophetic dreams on a regular basis for decades now. In my dreams I merge with the whole scene or just one person at a time and everything in between. Sometimes I only observe, being a silent witness.



I have died with many people over the years. I have merged with many serial killers as well. One thing I have noticed is that most serial killers find great joy in killing. This reminded me of a time a man I know who said he only feels joy when he makes others miserable.



In one prophetic dream, a serial killer took me to "Hell". It was on a higher frequency than we are here on Earth. One could move through objects easy type of matter. It wasn't so dense as Earth. Anyways, the souls there were joyous in what they were doing. They all were very driven with purpose. This surprised me cause I always thought of hell as others say it is, all the variations out there I am sure most of heard. I have never heard it being a joyous place til I was shown it being that way.
I saw many groups that had leaders, all of them affecting life on Earth in a variety of destructive ways across the globe.



I was wondering if any had any thoughts on this. I am open to all perspectives cause I find them all interesting. Who knows, perhaps there are a multitude in levels of Hell. Heaven and Hell, same feelings on the polar opposites. One is genuine with empathy and love, joy. The other is sadistic with no empathy bringing about joy for themselves and not others.

[Shivani Devi]

Hi, Gracey. If you read Dante's Inferno (Dante Aligheri) as I have, you will realise there are many levels of Hell...He went into 9 of them, but there may be more than that.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/dan...scription.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)

On the first level is where all the philosophers go...Plato, Socrates, Stephen Hawking, all are there debating existence for all eternity...this is where I will probably end up...and I wouldn't mind playing dice with God once in a while.

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Hi, Gracey. If you read Dante's Inferno (Dante Aligheri) as I have, you will realise there are many levels of Hell...He went into 9 of them, but there may be more than that.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/dan...scription.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)

On the first level is where all the philosophers go...Plato, Socrates, Stephen Hawking, all are there debating existence for all eternity...this is where I will probably end up...and I wouldn't mind playing dice with God once in a while.

Thanks, i read the wikipedia link you sent and tried to watch the video, but it stopped. I watched a different video on youtube. I actually have the book, I should read it someday.

[Ordnael]

Without giving to much details about what I believe, in my religion, Earth is a type of hellish realm. The difference is that here the souls are oblivious to the circumstances in which they exist, and the punishing devils are invisible, doing everything behind the scenes. For these reasons people can create a somewhat happy reality that enables them to live without suffering as much as possible.

To me you were either being shown the Earth, and you were going through objects like a phantom because you were accompanying a type of phantom, or maybe what you saw was a false heaven, which are described in medieval Japanese myths and called 'imposter pure lands'. Heroes in Buddhist traditions would try to reach the true heavenly planes, but along the way encountered false paradises ruled by demons that wanted to lead them astray.

Originally Posted by Ordnael

Without giving to much details about what I believe, in my religion, Earth is a type of hellish realm. The difference is that here the souls are oblivious to the circumstances in which they exist, and the punishing devils are invisible, doing everything behind the scenes. For these reasons people can create a somewhat happy reality that enables them to live without suffering as much as possible.

To me you were either being shown the Earth, and you were going through objects like a phantom because you were accompanying a type of phantom, or maybe what you saw was a false heaven, which are described in medieval Japanese myths and called 'imposter pure lands'. Heroes in Buddhist traditions would try to reach the true heavenly planes, but along the way encountered false paradises ruled by demons that wanted to lead them astray.

Interesting perspectives there.



This dream I had on May 31, 2016. It came to pass on June 12, 2016. It concerned a mass killing in Orlando Florida. I was with the killer and his wife. The killer actually transformed into a large green dragon/lizard creature before he took me to hell. He told me how many will be killed and much more. After the dream came to pass, I researched this figure according to his Muslim faith and I learned that lizards are the omen of the most evil. The transformation he had (man to lizard) means he will receive divine punishment.



I am in the same thoughts of you, that Earth is a hellish realm.



I guess it just blows my mind that people feel joy in hurting others. That emotion of joy and hurting others being as one never crossed my mind until I dreamt of many serial killers who feel this way.



I am gonna do some research on the imposter pure lands. Thanks for that bit of knowledge there.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Gracey

In one prophetic dream, a serial killer took me to "Hell". It was on a higher frequency than we are here on Earth. One could move through objects easy type of matter. It wasn't so dense as Earth. Anyways, the souls there were joyous in what they were doing. They all were very driven with purpose. This surprised me cause I always thought of hell as others say it is, all the variations out there I am sure most of heard. I have never heard it being a joyous place til I was shown it being that way.
I saw many groups that had leaders, all of them affecting life on Earth in a variety of destructive ways across the globe.

I was wondering if any had any thoughts on this. I am open to all perspectives cause I find them all interesting. Who knows, perhaps there are a multitude in levels of Hell. Heaven and Hell, same feelings on the polar opposites. One is genuine with empathy and love, joy. The other is sadistic with no empathy bringing about joy for themselves and not others.

It may be that you were visiting one of the lower astral planes, which is naturally less dense than physical substance so ordinary physical laws do not apply.

Over 30 years ago I read a book "Gone West" by J.S.M. Ward, published in 1920. He described his experiences visiting the astral planes,originally motivated by the death of his brother who had died in the First World War. He had several meetings with someone he called "The Officer" who had also been killed but who decided to take advantage of his new non-physical state for his own ends.

"The Officer" began his after-death state as an etheric entity on the physical plane, but as he pursued his own pleasures and purposes he moved onto the astral planes down through the various levels of hell. On each descending level he found himself with like-minded people of similar vibration, all pursuing their selfish goals with joyful purpose. The most important attribute was personal will - those who could bend others to their will enjoyed power over them, until they met someone whose will was stronger than their own.

I won't go on at length, but eventually the misdeeds of "The Officer" were such that he found himself in the lowest hell, which simply consisted of himself, alone, in darkness, no sight, no sound, just a solitude of despair and misery, with only his thoughts for company. Forced to face up to himself, he eventually found himself praying for help and guidance. Thus he began his journey back up the astral planes.

It was a fascinating story. How much is valid - I don't know. But it was one of the most convincing descriptions of life in the lower astral planes that I have read.

Peace.

Originally Posted by iamthat

It may be that you were visiting one of the lower astral planes, which is naturally less dense than physical substance so ordinary physical laws do not apply.

Over 30 years ago I read a book "Gone West" by J.S.M. Ward, published in 1920. He described his experiences visiting the astral planes,originally motivated by the death of his brother who had died in the First World War. He had several meetings with someone he called "The Officer" who had also been killed but who decided to take advantage of his new non-physical state for his own ends.

"The Officer" began his after-death state as an etheric entity on the physical plane, but as he pursued his own pleasures and purposes he moved onto the astral planes down through the various levels of hell. On each descending level he found himself with like-minded people of similar vibration, all pursuing their selfish goals with joyful purpose. The most important attribute was personal will - those who could bend others to their will enjoyed power over them, until they met someone whose will was stronger than their own.

I won't go on at length, but eventually the misdeeds of "The Officer" were such that he found himself in the lowest hell, which simply consisted of himself, alone, in darkness, no sight, no sound, just a solitude of despair and misery, with only his thoughts for company. Forced to face up to himself, he eventually found himself praying for help and guidance. Thus he began his journey back up the astral planes.

It was a fascinating story. How much is valid - I don't know. But it was one of the most convincing descriptions of life in the lower astral planes that I have read.

Peace.

I have wondered myself if it was of the astral plane in my dream.



The book describe sounds fascinating to me. I am going to buy to read.



Thanks for responding and leading me to a new book.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Gracey

The book describe sounds fascinating to me. I am going to buy to read.
Thanks for responding and leading me to a new book.

Yes, thanks iamthat!

One can get the book free as a pdf download.

I got curious too. Started reading it and yes, very good (tick) – for example:

Well, Jack, there’s not only something but almost everything in telepathy. It’s the outer edge of those faculties which we have to develop here. It’s the main link between our world and yours. You know that some people have learnt of things which are happening to their friends at a distance. We all can do so here, and that is the way we communicate with each other; speech does not exist with us. This explains those sayings in the Bible about nothing shall be hid. You cannot tell lies here or be deceived.

It is not exactly telepathy, because in telepathy there is still time and space involved and you can lie, but in silent communication, what I call ‘nondual’ or ‘energetic’ – there is a direct inner knowing of each other’s emotions, intents and thoughts – so you really cannot hide anything (from a Spiritual Aboriginal Elder, I may add).

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And then I got to this sentence at page 7:

A n****r believing in a fetish is better than a man who believes nothing at all. Believe!

Ok, yeah, but even in the light of truth - the way it was said – Sheesh! Will “tha man” ever get over himself? (*^&%$#@!!!*)
Better lol than cry (and get into a 'trauma space' with it. Talking about being joyous in this Hell on Earth).
But I feel a SJW - activism coming on and a bottle of wine to deal with it .... lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0_...m5oZW 7c&t=34

They were standin' on the shore one day, Saw the white sails in the sun
Wasn't long before they felt the sting, white man, white law, white gun
Don't tell me that it's justified, 'cause somewhere, someone lied
Yeah well someone lied, someone lied, genocide
Well someone lied, oh, ahh

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[spiritualll]

I think you saw the first level of hell where there are demons strong enough to be able to reach their ends and enjoy their activities. However, most inhabitants on the lower planes lead lives of misery.

Hell is strong and some of it's inhabitants can function in a very negative environment while most humans on earth are frail and cannot operate in such negative energies. That's why we need the protection of the angels.

Many times they don't help humans also because we humans need to evolve on our own and they don't interfere with our evolution as they respect the laws of the universe while the dark side doesn't respect many laws.

Anyway, believe me, no matter how hellish earth can be, it's much better than in the lower realms in most cases.

Originally Posted by spiritualll

I think you saw the first level of hell where there are demons strong enough to be able to reach their ends and enjoy their activities. However, most inhabitants on the lower planes lead lives of misery.

Hell is strong and some of it's inhabitants can function in a very negative environment while most humans on earth are frail and cannot operate in such negative energies. That's why we need the protection of the angels.

Many times they don't help humans also because we humans need to evolve on our own and they don't interfere with our evolution as they respect the laws of the universe while the dark side doesn't respect many laws.

Anyway, believe me, no matter how hellish earth can be, it's much better than in the lower realms in most cases.

yea, i am sure there are hellish acts beyond my imagination, be it on earth or on some deep level of hell.