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Old 19-09-2006, 05:59 PM
kundalini
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Originally Posted by chadley
He does?

kk, let me ask it like this; Whether or not a god gene exists, what relevance does it have? If you define this god gene as...well ummm? what are you talking about again?

I'm with chadley on this one. Firstly, it is of little relevance that human beings may or may not have the so-called 'God' gene.

Secondly, kkawohl, I have seen some of your beliefs that you have purported to have throughout the thread and have found myself disagreeing with them more than once. That is my choice.

For a start, I don't believe the spirit of any child remains integrated with the mother up until about 18 months of age when their 'reasoning' abilities develop. Why do you believe this?

Next, you also believe that a spirit which has not developed enough in a lifetime and has not commited enough good deeds and embraced 'niceities' like kindness, generosity etc, is simply destroyed, just like that.

Who's measuring the amount and quantity of the good deeds kkawohl?

I certainly do not believe that.

I have now read your biography and about the experience that you had when you were younger and the revelations that you had in your meditations after what happened in New York on the 11th September 2001. I agree with your belief that everybody should reassess their views with regards to God as I feel that beliefs should be progressive and are not to be confined to one particular mode of thinking.

But I disagree strongly with the statements that you made above kkawohl and I would like you to clarify why you believe them to be so, so that I may either agree with what you say or continue to challenge them.

Many thanks for reading, Kundalini.
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Old 19-09-2006, 10:48 PM
Glorymist
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Chadley - - I gotta admit - - I said that out of a guesstimation. I would imagine that in the hallways of the hard core scientists - - those that might want to address this issue in the first place - - and know of little other than the physical world and the scientific approach to it all - - I would bet he would find plenty of company.

And - - I will be the first to admit - - maybe I am wrong here. Maybe not that many would agree with the "god gene." (snicker)

I still kinda like the concept. It's kinda cute. And heck - - so many people live under MUCH worse fallacies. This one is rather harmless.

Heck - - the science boys and girls come up with such preposterous explanations for Life that this doesn't surprise me one bit.

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Old 20-09-2006, 07:01 AM
kkawohl
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Originally Posted by kundalini
I agree with your belief that everybody should reassess their views with regards to God as I feel that beliefs should be progressive and are not to be confined to one particular mode of thinking.

But I disagree strongly with the statements that you made above kkawohl and I would like you to clarify why you believe them to be so, so that I may either agree with what you say or continue to challenge them.

Many thanks for reading, Kundalini.

Greetings Kundalini, my interpretations from my spiritual experiences are subject to being fallible as are all interpretations; hence you have various religions.

IMHO, the conscience is guided by its capacity to disseminate between pure and improper acceptable social norms. A determination is made by the conscience to abide by either the pure and proper, or to stretch the norm. Deeds contrary to purity eventually anesthetizes the conscience and lines of communication with the spirit and God are severed. Evil is not adaptable to, or compatible with Purety. The cultural norm deduces acceptable proper behavior. If one lives thereby, the conscience is clear and no deity in the spiritual realm will judge or condemn anyone.

My interpretation was that an impure soul, one that was anesthetized by evil deeds did not survive; yet I may be wrong. Was it possibly reincarnated to have another chance?...I don't know.

Namaste,
Kurt
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Old 20-09-2006, 09:19 PM
BLAIR2BE
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ive tossed this idea around myself, sort of...
can one, through constant "evil" and negative deeds become "disconnected" from god?? i know that a soul cannot die, but can one "disconnect" from god??
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Old 20-09-2006, 10:07 PM
Glorymist
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Blair - - not "disconnected" - - in the true sense of the word - - but SOOOO buried in all the negativity that your vision is gone, gone, GONE ! ! I mean - - the vision of Soul is pretty much "gone" in the first place when It comes into these worlds for "education." Then - - to dive into the entire realm of negative deeds / acts / thoughts - - just buries one that much further.

But - - we've all been thru that one. It's been a while since we have - - because by the time Soul gets to the point where It is considering the religions and metaphysics and ethics / morals - - etc. - - you're pretty much climbing out of this pit - - tho It has been buried so deeply for so long - - it definitely takes a while to do that. But - - at least It is on It's way up and out.
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Old 20-09-2006, 11:49 PM
BLAIR2BE
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this is the answer that makes sense to me the most, thus far. it did seem to me, through much thought and exploration, that the soul cannot disconnect; that there must be another explanation for the phenomena i was sure existed. thanks glorymist...=>)
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Old 21-09-2006, 03:09 AM
kkawohl
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A scientist once told me that we are all energy bubbles living within a larger energy bubble within this universe. I agree. I believe that God is the Supreme energy & every living thing in the universe is a part of this energy. It is within the DNA of life.

When one lives righteously, upon our physical demise the energy within our spirit is transmitted, cleansed (born-again) and then received to be a part of God where our spirit can operate individually or in unison and access all of the wonders and knowledge of the universe. My spirit has experienced this. Please see http://transcendentalists.org

Namaste,
Kurt

Last edited by kkawohl : 21-09-2006 at 03:16 AM.
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Old 21-09-2006, 06:15 PM
kkawohl
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Tapping Into The Mind Of God - My Spiritual Experiences.

I woke from a restless night’s sleep, sauntered to the breakfast table and is greeted by his wife as she stunningly gazed at the television. The commentator is screaming, “they just flew an airplane into the World Trade Center and another one is heading for the other building”. A thick cloud billowed from a collapsed structure and people were crying and screaming as they were running. The evening news media portrayed that some passengers phoned their relatives who confirmed that the attacks had been carried out by Muslim terrorists who commandeered the planes and repeated the phrase “God is great” before the planes flew into the buildings.

I had prior business dealings with several Muslims. They, like my departed father were deeply religious. Malik the electrician had spent some time with me explaining how the Islam religion requires prayer five times daily and forbade the consumption of alcoholic beverages. Now I was puzzled, “How can devout religious people kill others while claiming that God is great?” I stopped by at the local bookstore and picked up a copy of 'Muhammad' by Karen Armstrong. It explained about how Muhammad had formed the Islam religion. I read the book deep into the night and again for the next two days until I was finished with it.

As I lay next to his wife Inge that night, the television clock showed it to be 12:35 A.M. Inge was sleeping peacefully but my spirit was restless. The words, 'How this is possible' kept repeating themselves in my mind as my mind went into deep meditation. One and a half hour went by, it was now 2:05 A.M. as I felt a sharp pain in my head, I closed his eyes momentarily and when I opened them I was staring down at myself looking at the clock with my wife sleeping next to me. I felt surrounded by a beautiful, pleasant bright light.

I felt an exhilarating burst of energy, I experienced my spirit being transmitted, whisked at a powerful speed as if through a light tunnel and being united with a receiver at the other end, with a spiritual unity. My whole life was revealed to me in poetic form during the seemingly long journey.

“Am I in Heaven, am I with God?” I wondered as I experienced being in a place with a gathering of spirits. I felt the greatest peace, tranquility and ecstasy. I felt a rapture that was beyond a person's imagination. I felt as if he was a part of ALL, a part of God. I was mentally communicating and in sync with everyone. There were many of the prophets of the Bible and historical people; there was Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and even Muhammad whom I just read about. I saw some of my deceased acquaintances and relatives, mom, dad and my brother Eric were there. I felt an engulfing love and support from everyone as they surrounded and embraced me. I again looked around for God and though I felt as if I was with God, there was no dominant force, no forceful leader. I somehow knew who everyone was; my thoughts interacted with the entire community and I now knew that I was a part of God.

'But which is the true religion?” my thoughts momentarily queried.

A scenario rapidly unfolded that was like a staged play with actors situated in their respective positions.

A Rabbi, a Christian minister, and an Islamic cleric appeared at an area that was marked 'The Gates of Heaven'. They eyed each other suspiciously. Peter (the gatekeeper) asked if there is a problem.

The Rabbi tells Peter, 'Ours is the true religion. We have the word of God that this is so and it is written in the Torah that God said we are the chosen children of God, not the Christians or the Muslims.'

The Christian minister says, 'Jesus told us that he is the Son of God and that the only way to God was by following his teachings and that unless one is born again, one would not get into heaven. What Jesus said is the word of God and it is written in the Holy Bible'.

The Muslim cleric says, 'God has told Muhammad that he was the last true prophet and that everything that God told him was written in the Koran and that those who did not follow what was written there, would not get into heaven'.

Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven.

Eventually Peter told the souls who had gathered around the souls of their clerics, 'In heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area'.

No agreement was reached and eventually the souls died (Hell) because souls who were not with God could not exist.

A sweet gentle voice seemed to relay:

“The lesson is that having tunnel-vision or being closed-minded, without compassion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and the soul. Most religions have the same goals and all who live righteously will be with us'.

In a flash, as if in a recreation, I was taken back to 1956 when I was fifteen years old. My father took me to a doctor who diagnosed it to be double pneumonia, gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. I thought that I was going to die. My father was temporarily out of work and our family had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remembered the drive home vividly. Every breath was painful and my chest felt as though a great weight was upon it. I watched the cars and trucks drive by and I wondered how people could make long-term plans when life was so unpredictable.

While I was recuperating I read the Bible diligently, then one night I had what seemed like a puzzling experience of my spirit interacting with a spiritual existence. As the years passed, I thought that this spiritual interaction probably had been a dream. I didn’t think about it much afterwards and lived my life normally, but I had no fear of death after that because I felt that the afterlife would be much better than the present one.

A week after the dramatic experience following 9-11-01, I had another spiritual experience that was in a progression that seemed to last throughout the entire night. My spirit was weightless, uninhibited by any resistance or external influences; I could travel to any star or planet instantly, explore the beauty of the universe, and still be in sync with what I considered to be God.

My spirit witnessed the universe stretched out like a vast expanse with spirits engaged in mental interaction, much like master craftsmen contemplating the creation of a new frontier. My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of Jehovah, Allah and God; as if in a fast-forward film. My spirit witnessed the beginning of life and then physical rational life in the universe, and the bonding of the first two souls that was the beginning of a spiritual unity. My spirit witnessed the development of mankind and man’s first perception of God from the story of Adam & Eve. My spirit witnessed Abraham & Moses, their quest into spirituality, their interaction with God and the beginning of Judaism. My spirit witnessed God’s interaction with Jesus and his life and death. My spirit witnessed the beginning of Christianity & the senseless killings in the Crusades; also God’s interaction with Muhammad, the beginning of the Islam faith & the Arab struggles. My spirit witnessed the senseless Twin Towers tragedy of 9-11-01. (see picture at http://transcendentalists.org)

My spirit understood that our life on earth was to prepare us and to give us examples of the hereafter, that everything is progressive and accumulative. We existed on earth to accumulate experiences of feelings, the beauty of every organism that surrounds us, the landscape that adds to our perception and then we would begin our next spiritual journey.

I understood that we should live our life to its fullest. One hundred years from now, almost every single person alive today will have died. Several billion people wiped off the face of this earth. Our life is but a blip on the radar screen of time. We are the most important person responsible for whether our soul will live to attain continuity with God. Here we learn how to intertwine with a community, there we can experience anything that the imagination can perceive.

Envision yourself as a spirit that is uninhibited by any resistance or external influences; you can travel to any star or planet instantly, explore the beauty of the universe, and still be in sync with God. As an example: Imagine the most advanced form of Virtual Reality that can access a super-computer and place you in whichever setting you desire; you can play with the animals, be with your loved ones, listen to the greatest opera, stage or musical performances, or simply relax next to a bubbling brook and enjoy the scenery. You feel no pain, despair, heartache, or negative emotions.

I understood that the community of God is like a Master Planner that guides the universe rather than one that controls it; that God is not a mighty ruler who wishes to enslave mankind but a peaceful coexistence of the spirits or souls of many of our forefathers, past prophets and all who lived righteously. Cultures change with time and God has always been the same but our perception of God will vary with time.

Namaste,
Kurt

Last edited by kkawohl : 21-09-2006 at 06:28 PM.
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Old 22-09-2006, 03:08 PM
kundalini
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Kkawohl, I do not doubt that you have had spiritual experiences but I absolutely disagree that spirits just die if they do not live righteous lives. Again, please tell me who it is who decides what is righteous and what is not?

Secondly, this experience with the Christian, Jew and Muslim all standing outside the Pearly Gates and arguing about whose path is the righteous path and then they all fail to disagree, therefore destroying themselves in the process...I am sorry but my interpretation of this is an over-active imagination. Why?

It is just too traditional an image to be real and the fact that they are all still arguing about religion having left this plain, I feel negates the entire experience.

I am sorry Kkawohl but your answers do not satisfy my questions.

Kundalini.
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Old 22-09-2006, 03:46 PM
Glorymist
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Boy - - this surely got away from how we find balance - - huh ??

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