Where did this belief healers shouldn't accept gifts or $ come from anyway?

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by winter light

Sort of sorry to disagree with many here. I don't see the problem with healing in exchange for money. I've been to plenty of healers and had many great experiences with people who were sincere, inspiring and pure in how they approached the work. And even where imperfect they are human so I accept that as part of the experience. Also healing is not like getting an oil change. In every case there is some divine business at work why we wind up with certain healers for better or worse. And recommendations found in Tao Te Ching:

peace out when you can

lol, pay me 10$ and I'll say some sweet inspiring stuff and declare your aura/energy healed.

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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@ Greenslade ... sure, you have a point. Intention is relevant.

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Quite the opposite. If your intention is for monetary/personal gain then that is a very different 'result' to an intention of helping someone or being of service because you want to relieve their suffering. My intention is that I always help out where I can without looking for reward, because helping someone out is a reward in itself.

Originally Posted by God-Like

Monies to the equivalent of a large packet of biscuits seems a bit extreme . Do you really need all them biscuits

Perhaps it would be the case that there would be more to share with your internet buddies

Do you have any coconut one's?


x daz x

Remind me to shoot you one of these days, Daz.


What do you do when someone insists on paying you? It's an insult not to accept it as far as they're concerned and that's not a good way to begin or end a session. Personally I don't like taking payment so the biscuits eases my conscience. I have a pretty big conscience to feed.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

This is absolutely true - the idea it is valuable, yes!
I have found that in many things ---but, a healing is a healing and has
enormous value no matter if you gave an offering or it was free!
I was healed in 2009 at a Charismatic Church altar call- and man-oh -man - am I happy about it...a hip issue that
I had for years!
Oh my gosh, the limping and pain and heat and ice and pillows and $$ on therapies.


Short story: San Antonio 1975 - small store owner said, 'Ya know I had a turquoise belt buckle right there for $50 and it never sold.
I put $350 on it and it sold like that!"

To someone else the healing might not have been valuable because there was no cost, not having cost to some means it's a throw-away and that can lessen the healing effects. It was valuable to you in pain relief and money savings and you obviously appreciated that, and perhaps the healers had the faith that they were doing you a good deed and you feeling better was their reward.

Sometimes there's more Spirituality going on beyond the ideologies.

And if people see a high price tag the perception there is that if it costs a lot of money then the quality is there, but that isn't always the case. Humans are amazing creatures.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Remind me to shoot you one of these days, Daz.


What do you do when someone insists on paying you? It's an insult not to accept it as far as they're concerned and that's not a good way to begin or end a session. Personally I don't like taking payment so the biscuits eases my conscience. I have a pretty big conscience to feed.

hehehe ..

I am totally onboard with with you and some love to give and some do not . Some actually want something for nothing even though they have ways and means to pay for services had . A lot of my healing work goes on behind the scenes and some express gratitude for what I do and some are not even aware of what I am doing in regards to helping them out .. This reflects an aspect of myself and my work that doesn't do for other's with the intent of being paid in return but touching upon my other post to you I dare say that on a soul level I am still working things out within the expression of helping others as being a healer of sorts . I don't feel in my soul that I am totally free in regards to what I am doing and for why I am if that makes sense but what I do doesn't feel like a chore or anything for I love what I do . I just don't like to see other's suffer and I would say that my own sufferings had brings that feeling to the fore tenfold .


x daz x

[Shivani Devi]

Consciousness is the way quota of raw information is stored and exchanged within and throughout the multiverse.

It can no more "evolve" than those who delimit the possibility of evolution by assigning it a mathematical constant which takes all future permutations into consideration.

That which is Self Existent remains as such until it ceases to exist as the Existence which it is...this is called shunyata or the zeroth dimension.

It is from this place where passive consciousness (Purusha) gives rise to active consciousness (Prakriti) through the passive state itself

Consciousness cannot evolve beyond the "Self Aware" state that it already exists AS conscious awareness of all that existence, non Existence and any subsequent Non Dual state may also be inclusive or exclusive of any method of observation..this is "Brahman" this is "God"

Originally Posted by God-Like

hehehe ..

I am totally onboard with with you and some love to give and some do not . Some actually want something for nothing even though they have ways and means to pay for services had . A lot of my healing work goes on behind the scenes and some express gratitude for what I do and some are not even aware of what I am doing in regards to helping them out .. This reflects an aspect of myself and my work that doesn't do for other's with the intent of being paid in return but touching upon my other post to you I dare say that on a soul level I am still working things out within the expression of helping others as being a healer of sorts . I don't feel in my soul that I am totally free in regards to what I am doing and for why I am if that makes sense but what I do doesn't feel like a chore or anything for I love what I do . I just don't like to see other's suffer and I would say that my own sufferings had brings that feeling to the fore tenfold .


x daz x

Good old human nature seems to be the main driver of things, even when the ideologies come to the fore because the ideologies come from the human side of us. It's all about doing what we feel is right, what we feel we need to do and often there's something that drives us. It's recognising and either expressing or changing that 'something' that makes us who and what we are.



For me personally, yes there is always a 'reward' of sorts but I'm honest, nobody does anything for nothing and I'm human like all the rest. But when you make a difference in someone's Life, that never gets old.

[Rescuemom]

There is a guy who gave up his medical license and lives in a van and has done so for about 35 years. He healed my dog’s kidneys and he healed my lungs after a fire when doctors failed both me and my dog. He has only failed with my back and I don’t know why.His van is ancient. He freezes and swelters and doesn’t have enough food to eat or money for the dentist or health insurance. He is truly talented and follows a complicated and difficult spiritual path. He charges nothing but will accept donations. It enrages me that all these people in their big houses, expensive cars, fancy vacations and full bellies accept his help yet he is supposed to live worse than the poorest of the poor in the third world because it’s a gift? No, it’s an ability he has honed over the years.

I think some readers psychics, mediums etc have lost their minds in the amount they charge but if people are foolish enough to pay that’s their problem. My psychic has not raised her prices since the 1970’s. She reads for only 15-20 minutes and charges $20. She won’t read for longer and won’t accept more because she said her husband said she would never support herself and her daughter at it and she does. So in gratitude she hasn’t raised prices. I think she should but none of my business.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Rescuemom

There is a guy who gave up his medical license and lives in a van and has done so for about 35 years. He healed my dog’s kidneys and he healed my lungs after a fire when doctors failed both me and my dog. He has only failed with my back and I don’t know why.His van is ancient. He freezes and swelters and doesn’t have enough food to eat or money for the dentist or health insurance. He is truly talented and follows a complicated and difficult spiritual path. He charges nothing but will accept donations. It enrages me that all these people in their big houses, expensive cars, fancy vacations and full bellies accept his help yet he is supposed to live worse than the poorest of the poor in the third world because it’s a gift? No, it’s an ability he has honed over the years.

I think some readers psychics, mediums etc have lost their minds in the amount they charge but if people are foolish enough to pay that’s their problem. My psychic has not raised her prices since the 1970’s. She reads for only 15-20 minutes and charges $20. She won’t read for longer and won’t accept more because she said her husband said she would never support herself and her daughter at it and she does. So in gratitude she hasn’t raised prices. I think she should but none of my business.

Great story and input!!!! Thank you. And welcome!
Wouldn't it be lovely for the 'van healer' to come across a weathly person that happens to have an extra cottage?
My friends put someone up for years - he helped with painting and decks and yard work, etc. He was special.

It really happens.

[Rescuemom]

Thank you Miss Hepburn. It’s a pet peeve of mine so I guess I get a little heated about it. I pay my doctors ( and when I paid my own insurance it was $1600. a month plus $30 co-pay each office visit plus a yearly amount of $3-5,000 before it even kicked in ) yet healers and mediums and psychics are supposed to work for free? My shelter dog has cost $10,000. so far veterinary insurance is useless and not many vets accept it here plus she has a pre-existing condition.

I started studying all things metaphysical (?) at the age of 14. I’ve been developing my abilities for 44 years and it has cost me quite a bit. Far more than my university education and years and years longer but I’m supposed to give it away? And to people who can certainly afford to pay? It’s a gift like being a professional athlete, an opera singer, a scientist etc one which takes years to develop even if you have the gift yet healers/mediums alone are expected to perform for free? Ugh. Thank you for responding and much love and light to you. I hope someone will come along and help this wonderful man as happened to the person you knew of. So many have taken and few have given.