Regressing into insects and reptiles

[ROM]

Hmm, I've always had a problem with the ideas surrounding reincarnation. The thought that we can regress/reincarnate into other species, such as animals or elemental beings, I perceive as being slightly off. My understanding is that humans have spirits and originate from the spiritual sphere, whereas animals etc have animal souls and originate from the animistic realms. That being said, I don't think we can incarnate as a form that is not of our consistency/vibration/frequency ETC, as it is against universal law. I imagine that as humans it is our goal to reach ultimate perfection in spirit, and incarnating as animal souls would only hinder that development/progress. Any thoughts???

Originally Posted by rom2014

That being said, I don't think we can incarnate as a form that is not of our consistency/vibration/frequency ETC, as it is against universal law.

It's statement likes this that dog down karma and reincarnation..

You should study the theory of "oneness" that all things are one.. then you would understand that you the animal are one.. and you the insect are one.. and you the computer monitor are one.. all the same being.. playing a game of seperatness and physical and form.. have fun.. gaming

[ROM]

Ahh... What do you mean by one? Are you saying we have no individuality/ego/personality/character? Or we share a common thing -- creatures of God? Also, my statements weren't intended to dog down anything, I just wanted to bring in a different view/perspective on reincarnation.

A few thoughts of mine below. No truth offered whatsoever.

As I see it Buddhism offers a complete model of Samsara(reincarnation loop) and one can be reborn a tree, plant, animal, rock, ghost, deity, spirit or go to hell. Hell btw has 18 levels in Buddhism so it is not as simple as everyone thinks.. People are very attached to family members but why is that?

You have had countless human and nonhuman mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers etc during Samsara, they are spread out across the world. After your memory is washed clean you remember nothing. So one should have love for everyone, for all I know your cleaning lady might have been your mother in your last life... Your boss may have been a beggar etc etc...

Please check out the details in "Heaven and Hell" from Emanuel Swedenborg, the last true prophet:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/swd/index.htm

/Gauss

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by LIFE

Later on though, he makes some very add assertions. He says that one's thoughts at the exact moment of death decide what lifeform that being will migrate too at the moment of rebirth. He said that someone that tries to build a wall between themself and the world will likely be reborn as something like a turtle. He then goes onto say that someone that has lived a life of anger and dies in the state will be reborn as a fanged spider. Then he says that it will take innumerable eons (even something bordering on an infinite amount of time) before that being may reach human-hood again.

You will find such dribble a lot in any Dharmic inspired sources..
If you are lazy, you will be a turtle,
if you have a huge sex drive, you will be a pigeon,
if you are dirty, you will be a dog,
if you are proud, you will be a lion,
if you love the cold, you will be a polar bear,

etc. etc.

They are limited cultural beliefs, and it works on the premise ''Man is the king of creation''
This anthropocentric thinking has done enough damage already.

Originally Posted by LIFE

As I'm reading this, I'm saying, "C'mon Bob, you can't be serious." This sounds like utter superstitious ****. This is the Tibetan Buddhist version of coercion. This would be their version of "hell"- a scare tactic to manipulate a person into "right living" and "right thinking."

Scare tactics indeed.

Originally Posted by LIFE

Ultimately, I give this the same amount of creedence that I give to Christian beliefs such as "hell"- none at all.

Me too. It just takes a little longer before people realize that the Dharmic religions are no better than the Abrahamic ones in this regard.
It's because we have enchanted and flower power puffed other cultures as a form of escapism..

Originally Posted by themaster

It's statement likes this that dog down karma and reincarnation..

You should study the theory of "oneness" that all things are one.. then you would understand that you the animal are one.. and you the insect are one.. [snip ..]

Much of that people could not regress to animal life forms hinges on the quaint notion that our conscious life is the real life.

We overlook the fact that the real life is (mostly) our unconscious life. How much different is this 'unconscious life', a life that is on automatic, or one controlled by 'training' (of any sort), or run by a realm beyond our conscious control from the animal realm?

Originally Posted by rom2014

Ahh... What do you mean by one?

I mean that we are aspects of the creator each of us unique aspects

Originally Posted by rom2014

Are you saying we have no individuality/ego/personality/character?

Of course we have these things.. and there all unique..

But understand that being "separate" from the one is a illusion.. just as sitting in a chair.. the chair is not really there.. the experience is real.. but the chair is made out of you.. and it's a illusion that it's separate from you

The goal for the shift.. is for everyone to know oneness again.. this doesn't mean you’re going to lose your individual perspective.. this doesn't mean your history will be erased (though some of it will.. depending on who you are, what you believe etc.) you won't even know it's gone.. and you don't need it anyway.. so don't turn this into a FEAR/Worry thing..

Originally Posted by rom2014

Also, my statements weren't intended to dog down anything, I just wanted to bring in a different view/perspective on reincarnation.

And you did.. you brought in a EGO view of incarnation..

The whole problem with "incarnation beliefs" and people into them.. is the skewed EGO make believe.. we make up about being bad and good.. and being punished after this life for it..

It's no different than the christian religion with it's you bad go to hell.. you good go to heaven..

The point is we can't understand what it's like.. after death? (not completely from this perspective)

So I ask.. why does anyone spend time thinking about the afterlife?

Why do you???

Life is about living.. it's not about.. I shouldn't step on this bug.. and if I do this thing I'm evil and go to hell..

This game wasn't designed with people to be in fear 100% of the time of doing anything.. my simple message is "stop being afraid" and do what you like :)

And I can say that all I want too.. but even I have fear from my fellow humans about the games they like to play of "you bad".. and let me punish you..

Which is why I seek to be removed from these games all the more (and it's what I'm doing/working on)

Originally Posted by pre-dawn

Much of that people could not regress to animal life forms hinges on the quaint notion that our conscious life is the real life.

We overlook the fact that the real life is (mostly) our unconscious life. How much different is this 'unconscious life', a life that is on automatic, or one controlled by 'training' (of any sort), or run by a realm beyond our conscious control from the animal realm?

Well, I agree with you.. the dream life is the real life.. this is the illusion one..

It's hard for those that are awake here and conscious.. to validate the idea that the dream is the real one.. but that's my understanding..

One can see that there are so many filters (including the EGO) and so much layers setup between the real world (aka dreams) and our world here.. and that's why we only get the interpretation via our dreams.. which seems *weird* to us

[ROM]

Originally Posted by themaster

So I ask.. why does anyone spend time thinking about the afterlife?

Why do you???

Life is about living.. it's not about.. I shouldn't step on this bug.. and if I do this thing I'm evil and go to hell..

I agree life is about living, but it can't hurt to ponder over questions like where does life lead after death, what happens, etc. Also, what you were saying before about good and bad = hell or paradise, that's more karma, which I wasn't referring to.

Originally Posted by rom2014

I agree life is about living, but it can't hurt to ponder over questions like where does life lead after death, what happens, etc.

I disagree.. (I agreee.. but I also disagree )

It can hurt when you think more about the "After life" then you do about living.. some of these statements and beliefs on here show me that many spend too much time thinking/or living the beliefs they created.. then really truly having fun, being happy..

I will quote my teacher on this one.. "misery is optional"