Why duality is not true, part 2

[movingalways]

Some believe duality is a reality because they unconsciously believe awareness/God/the universe is literally cut in two.

I emphasized 'unconsciously' and 'literally' because those who assert the reality of duality do not consciously realize they are asserting a split reality.

[iamthat]

We can spend a lot of time discussing whether duality (or form) is real or not.

But while we are in human form we still have to deal with the world of form as if it were real.

The mind likes to philosophise about reality but if we want to put food on the table then we have to go to the shops. The mind may claim that hunger (which is part of duality) is not real but eventually the mind just wants some food.

I suggest that the world of form (or duality) is real on its own level, even if it is just a temporary manifestation from a greater perspective.

Peace

[utopiandreamchild]

The most important of all duality, "right or wrong".
Which would you choose.

utopiandreamchild

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by movingalways

Some believe...
... a split reality.

You have really spoken the most profound truth. And I am so grateful that there is someone who can and dares to speak about it and mention this most greatest truth of all truths. Yet it is so wild and pure and eternal and infinite and beyond any and all mental constructs that it is difficult especially in our time and age, the glas age, the glass era, the information age, the age of duality... To discover this and find its truth of absolute uniqueness... It is scary... And yet it is beyond all fears and ideas of such... It is absolutely like anarchy and scary to the socialised human ego mind. It is like absolute chaos. And anti social... it is absolutely egoless...

How can one integrate this with our regular nornal life, I don't know, except to say like Iamthat, that this duality part of life is simply part of all of that infinite eternal unique existence. And yet, there is no meaning capable of being extracted from the nondual.

It feels like infinite chaos having absolutely no opposite or relation, yet there is awareness there which is ever transcending. And so even saying chaos, is not it. Its chaos can yield infinite dimensions of harmony. There is simply no likeness or unlikeness to it. And THIS IS RIGHT HERE AND NOW ALREADY ALSO ALWAYS IT

ALL MY LIFE, all that I have ever known. All my joys and despairs and seeming dualities and meanings of my human ego mind. All just a memory of this eternal here and now. Unable to explain how I am capable of existing. What my true identity is or why I exist as I do. If I exist at all... Even... Its all just an idea. and yet it is also it. every idea also forever unique. Infinitely and eternally unique as all as one forever here and now unique. Uncomparable.

Yet all the comparison and duality and vibrationality and relativity and awareness and thought and idea and duality, all of these things and change, all that seems to oppose nonduality and compare to it and relate to it... Somehow all of that does not subtract from the absolute nondual unchanging persistent continuous eternal and infinite here and now uniqueness of existence.

But when I experience pain, physical or emotional, I cannot denie "oh this again" and "oh this is not unique, I should avoid it." but that avoidance can only last so long. The older I get, the more I realise that all those dualities that one intends to avoid are simply infinite and eternal and unavoidable. And that is scary, because in a sense, it says, we're all going to hell., and come out better on the other end of it... But hell nonetheless... And it has to be accepted... So better to stay with the pain and let it be ok... And stop fighting it or trying to avoid it. Rather let it transform in the light of the one infinite eternal unchanging nondual uniqueness of existence. Even if that means that I cannot help but avoid the pain right now. And accept duality. I don't know any better. This is just who I am right now with my illusionary limitting believes. As a seemingly seperate human ego identity.

[Apakhana Akshobhya]

I suggest that the world of form (or duality) is real on its own level, even if it is just a temporary manifestation from a greater perspective.

I'm with you, it's that to me duality is an artifact of perception given to us through the limited mind we use to perceive with. When we get a glimpse of singularity outside of that it starts to dawn on the awareness that there's no one or the other it's both. That's it. Duality happens but it's a perception error forced on the soul intentionally. It's real like a dream, something that happens or occurs, yet show me it. We can't lol. It doesn't exist like that.

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by iamthat

We can spend a lot of time discussing whether duality (or form) is real or not.

But while we are in human form we still have to deal with the world of form as if it were real.

The mind likes to philosophise about reality but if we want to put food on the table then we have to go to the shops. The mind may claim that hunger (which is part of duality) is not real but eventually the mind just wants some food.

I suggest that the world of form (or duality) is real on its own level, even if it is just a temporary manifestation from a greater perspective.

Peace

Is reality cut in two?

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

And accept duality. I don't know any better. This is just who I am right now with my illusionary limitting believes. As a seemingly seperate human ego identity.

By the sum total of your words on this forum, I would say you don't accept duality, but your ego is (naturally) afraid of its inevitable death. No worries, no need to battle the ego, it will be dissolved in its maker's (God's) own good time. Just know that after ego death fear, Self love follows.

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

The most important of all duality, "right or wrong".
Which would you choose.

utopiandreamchild

Do you want choice or love? You can't have both.

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by Apakhana Akshobhya

I'm with you, it's that to me duality is an artifact of perception given to us through the limited mind we use to perceive with. When we get a glimpse of singularity outside of that it starts to dawn on the awareness that there's no one or the other it's both. That's it. Duality happens but it's a perception error forced on the soul intentionally. It's real like a dream, something that happens or occurs, yet show me it. We can't lol. It doesn't exist like that.

Belief in duality happens, not duality. If duality is actually happening, if the world is actually split in two, you, as awareness would not be. Beliefs can be dropped, Awareness cannot.

Witnessing 'the dream' is an important step in nondual realization. At some point, however, because 'two' is not true, the subtle duality of witnessing the contents of awareness collapses...relax...the witnessing ego has no say in the matter.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by movingalways

Some believe duality is a reality because they unconsciously believe awareness/God/the universe is literally cut in two.

I would not word it exactly like that but reality is split in two or more ways in various ways. For example, there are three possible states of water for example. The chemical formula for water is H2O, meaning that each of its molecules contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms. But water can exist as three different physical states, as a solid or ice, as a liquid or water, and as a vapor or steam. I don't think what we are, which is conscious awareness or consciousness for short, can exist as anything other than non-physical energy.

As Einstein said, and like how water can be a solid or a vapor, all matter can exist in a physical form or in an energy form. So that is a dualistic reality. I think it was modern physics that discovered all matter is also a wave and a particle at the same time which is also two or dualistic. Two forms for the same thing. I personally think, what we are, conscious awareness, can't be two in form. I think what we are is not matter and is distinct from matter. We exist as and in a form that is above and higher than matter. We direct matter to our will. I don't think we can take or be or have a physical form. Physical matter is too unlike what we are. It's too below us in it's nature. Matter has no consciousness or self awareness.

We obviously "have" a physical form at the moment, a aging mortal body we enter then leave when it's time is up, but I would not say we are the body. I think we have merged with it for it's life span then we leave it. But then here is another "duality" I think exists and is reality. We can potentially experience two natures, the nature of ourselves, (what some would call God or our source, the source of consciousness) or our body and it's mind. I think that is basically the goal of all religions, to teach us to discover our true nature which is consciousness itself, and escape the delusion and the experience that goes with assuming this body and it's mind and thoughts, it's conditioning, is us.

While we are not matter, we use it. Like this current state we are in where we are using physical bodies and a physical world to evolve consciousness to increase in awareness, which is one of consciousness's most important traits.