Where Do We Go at Death if not heaven or hell? - Page 32

VinceField · #**311** 08-07-2019, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmartin

just like everyone else does, but won't admit it :)

We are commanded by God to speak the truth of the gospel. A Christian who doesn't do so probably isn't a very good Christian if we consider that a good Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ.

BigJohn · #**312** 08-07-2019, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmartin

i'm not sure it makes sense to state 'Jesus was a Jew'. Because there were dozens of different types of Jewish beliefs back then and sects. What I mean is, it doesn't mean Jesus believed in some kind of normative Judaism we might imagine just because he is Jewish especially since he seems so radical in his teachings. He spoke truth directly from God, normal Jews didn't do that

Why did Jesus teach and worship in the temple?

Jesus'beliefs appear to be dramatically different then modern day Christians.

BigJohn · #**313** 08-07-2019, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VinceField

Jesus made it clear that he is God. The trinity is a Biblical doctrine. The scriptural evidence for this is abundant.

1. Jesus is Yahweh
Perhaps one of the clearest indications that Paul thought Jesus was Yahweh comes from the fact that he used Monotheistic Old Testament passages which uniquely referred to Yahweh and applied them to the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 10:13 cf. Joel 2:32; 1 Cor. 1:31 cf. Jer. 9:24; 1 Cor. 2:16 cf. Isa. 40:13; 1 Cor. 10:26 cf. Ps. 24:1; 2 Cor. 10:17 cf. Jer. 9:24 for just a few examples). 1 Corinthians 2:16, for example, alludes to Isaiah 40:13 which is in the context of some of the most explicit monotheistic statements in the entire Old Testament (cf. Isaiah 40:13-28; 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).

1A. Romans 10:13 cf. Joel 2:32

Did Jesus believe in the God of the first creation account?
That God was Elohim..... not Yahweh.

BigJohn · #**314** 08-07-2019, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VinceField

Jesus made it clear that he is God. The trinity is a Biblical doctrine. The scriptural evidence for this is abundant.

1. Jesus is Yahweh

Joel 2:32, "“And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD will be delivered; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls."

Comments: The LORD reference here is to Yahweh. However, Paul takes the Lord reference in Joel 2:32 and applies it to Jesus in Romans 10:13.

Why quote a scripture that has been mistranslated? In Hebrew Yahweh is used in the translation you used. Yahweh has been replaced with Lord. This is the type of problems the people got into trouble with in 1st and 2nd Kings and then later found out they were worshiping the wrong God.

Why not use a more accurate translation?

VinceField · #**315** 08-07-2019, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Why quote a scripture that has been mistranslated? In Hebrew Yahweh is used in the translation you used. Yahweh has been replaced with Lord. This is the type of problems the people got into trouble with in 1st and 2nd Kings and then later found out they were worshiping the wrong God.

Why not use a more accurate translation?

There is no practical difference in using a translation that uses the term Lord instead of Yahweh. We have the manuscripts and know that his name is YHWH or Yahweh. We can also compare modern translations to the original hebrew and greek to confirm their accuracy. I'm failing to see your point.

VinceField · #**316** 08-07-2019, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Did Jesus believe in the God of the first creation account?
That God was Elohim..... not Yahweh.

Do some research into the term Elohim. It is plural and is a general term for any spiritual being residing in the spiritual realm. It is used not only for God but for the lesser gods spoken of in scripture, disincarnated human spirits, etc. It is not the name of God.

BigJohn · #**317** 08-07-2019, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VinceField

Jesus made it clear that he is God. The trinity is a Biblical doctrine. The scriptural evidence for this is abundant.

1. Jesus is Yahweh

What I find strange is scriptures Jesus, his apostles and disciples quoted that contained the name of God - Yahweh never once used the name nor did they ever use the name Elohim, Adonay, etc.

What is even stranger is Yahweh has at least 6 different variations, but yet Jesus and his followers never addressed these variations.

BigJohn · #**318** 08-07-2019, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VinceField

Do some research into the term Elohim. It is plural and is a general term for any spiritual being residing in the spiritual realm. It is used not only for God but for the lesser gods spoken of in scripture, disincarnated human spirits, etc. It is not the name of God.

Why does your translation use God instead of Elohim in the first creation account (Genesis 1:1 -Genesis 2:3)?

The word Elohim can also be singular.

Why do we have to wait for the word Yahweh to be used until we get to Genesis 2:4?

Different writers?

VinceField · #**319** 08-07-2019, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Why did Jesus teach and worship in the temple?

Jesus'beliefs appear to be dramatically different then modern day Christians.

So Jesus' beliefs are different from Christians because he worshiped in a temple? I'm not following.

BigJohn · #**320** 08-07-2019, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by VinceField

There is no practical difference in using a translation that uses the term Lord instead of Yahweh. We have the manuscripts and know that his name is YHWH or Yahweh. We can also compare modern translations to the original hebrew and greek to confirm their accuracy. I'm failing to see your point.

Most people that I have spoken to find the word Yahweh to be a word they do not recognize.

Why alter what is written?

The scriptures were not supposed to be altered but some have seen no problem in doing the alterations.