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Old Today, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
Two things about that.

1 - It's an argument against the possility of realization/enlightenment.
2 - It considers awareness a thing of mind-body vs. Existence, Consciousness, Bliss.

Not really. It is simply stating that the highest state of consciousness attainable by a human being could still be relatively insignificant. Enlightenment is a state of consciousness, nothing to do with the mind or body. It does not seem unreasonable to consider that there may be Beings whose consciousness is so far beyond ours that even the most evolved humans would barely register with them.

As a student of esoteric philosophy I have no problem with the idea that Masters such as the Christ or the Buddha will move on to a higher turn of the spiral of evolution, to continue their journeys in spheres of consciousness we cannot begin to comprehend.

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Old Today, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by davidsun
Not quite - Guatama and Jesus lived and 'saw' and 'spoke about' things in a 2600 and 2000 (respectively) year ago context. Besides, many have interpreted and understood what they pointed to in very limited and often doofey fashion, IMO.

On top of that you strike me as being quite enamored of and so 'championing' Advaita-philosophy related perpectives and statements which I consider to be far from being the best (by me that is) representations and expressions of a truly 'Non-Dualistic' philosophy.

Your saying that you don't see anything 'beyond' that sort of thing and therefore having concluded that there are no more "mountains for the bear to go over" (and therefore open-mindedly engage in discussing as possibly being additionally informative) is exactly the 'point' I am making.

In case you wish to 'get into' the kinds of issues I raise, let me reiterate my previous criticism (which may have gone 'over your head' since you obviously think what you 'see' and understand is on the level of Jesus and Gautama) that your choosing to 'i'dentify with 'just' (i.e. merely) be a 'simple' Guy is quite a questionable kind of 'humility' - IMO, we have to first 'get' beyond that if we are to begin to have a mutually meaning-full conversation.

Do I think what I "'see' and understand is on the level of Jesus and Gautama"? No.

Do I think I'm enlightened? No.

Do I think I'll attain enlightenment? Who knows.

Do I engage in practices to facilitate enlightenment? Yes.

Have I benefited from such practices? Yes.

What practices? Basically a broad mix of those outlined in Vivekananda's Four Yogas but not necessarily exclusively as outlined in the tradition. For instance I practice Tibetan Buddhist meditation techniques and I also include the broader category of consciousness studies into Jnana along with the traditional Vedantic studies of self inquiry.

Do I think there are other paths outside that which I follow which can achieve the same end? Yes.

Concerning enlightenment, I find this a good read.


1 - It is permanent (cannot be lost once attained)
2 - It involves transcending the ego
3 - It is the end of all forms of mental and emotional suffering
"Research your own experience; absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." ~ Bruce Lee

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