Originally Posted by davidsun
Not quite - Guatama and Jesus lived and 'saw' and 'spoke about' things in a 2600 and 2000 (respectively) year ago context. Besides, many have interpreted and understood what they pointed to in very limited and often doofey fashion, IMO.
On top of that you strike me as being quite enamored of and so 'championing' Advaita-philosophy related perpectives and statements which I consider to be far from being the best (by me that is) representations and expressions of a truly 'Non-Dualistic' philosophy.
Your saying that you don't see anything 'beyond' that sort of thing and therefore having concluded that there are no more "mountains for the bear to go over" (and therefore open-mindedly engage in discussing as possibly being additionally informative) is exactly the 'point' I am making.
In case you wish to 'get into' the kinds of issues I raise, let me reiterate my previous criticism (which may have gone 'over your head' since you obviously think what you 'see' and understand is on the level of Jesus and Gautama) that your choosing to 'i'dentify with 'just' (i.e. merely) be a 'simple' Guy is quite a questionable kind of 'humility' - IMO, we have to first 'get' beyond that if we are to begin to have a mutually meaning-full conversation.
Do I think what I "'see' and understand is on the level of Jesus and Gautama"? No.
Do I think I'm enlightened? No.
Do I think I'll attain enlightenment? Who knows.
Do I engage in practices to facilitate enlightenment? Yes.
Have I benefited from such practices? Yes.
What practices? Basically a broad mix of those outlined in Vivekananda's Four Yogas but not necessarily exclusively as outlined in the tradition. For instance I practice Tibetan Buddhist meditation techniques and I also include the broader category of consciousness studies into Jnana along with the traditional Vedantic studies of self inquiry.
Do I think there are other paths outside that which I follow which can achieve the same end? Yes.
Concerning enlightenment, I find this a good read.
1 - It is permanent (cannot be lost once attained)
2 - It involves transcending the ego
3 - It is the end of all forms of mental and emotional suffering