Ending capitalism is possible...

[Tezorian]

I'm posting here what i posted in another blog. I'm curious about the negative aspects, the positive ones are pretty obvious. And i would like to note that this idea is not possible within a small time frame.

Originally Posted by Aug 21st 2012

A pretty idealistic and utopian (perhaps) idea. For 3 days now, i've been trying to figure out a way to end capitalism. I've got a very rough sketch about it. One of which i'm sure will work, but also not unrealistic. It will take a long time before it well end it.

How? Just get rid of the current banking system and create another from scratch. Negative part about it is it's completely virtual. No currency. The other setback on this is, is that some device needs to be developed or created that will allow wireless payments from anywhere.
Positive thing is, every working or retired Man will receive the same monthly income. No money will be created if we run out, because it can't run out. All you will have is a monthly limit to spend. You'll no longer have millionaires or whatever. Everything that is being payed is only virtual. The limit is there to prevent people from taking anything they want. Basically it's a supervised trade system. Companies will only register employees, which will be tagged in the system as working. As such, they will receive the monthly limit. Freelancers will still need to be payed, but they will also receive no more than the monthly limit. Every person will receive the same each month (IF they are working or retired). Every bit you earn more will go void and not registered in the person's account.
Old currency will not be converted to the new system either. It's virtual and as such it's a completely self-sufficient system.

Blergh... pretty rough idea. I already know there are people who will say this is not going to work. I disagree, since they are thinking in the capitalistic way and as such remain there with their perception.
The part where they say that this system will never be accepted by the big corporations are also stuck on the previous point. It will take time to be accepted, but in the end it WILL be accepted. Who will be the first who will accept this system? You need the big corporations for that. Well... that does make sense for those with a narrow point of view. However, those with little or no money will be the first who will accept this system. So it starts with the bottom, not the top. Slowly it will build up to the top.
If you are still not convinced, think about this. Those with little or no money have no need for what the big corps offer. They're not into luxury and as such don't need much money. Food and shelter is all they require. The more people from the bottom accept this, the more higher ones will be forced to use it as well. They supply what the big corps need. Once you reach a point where money is no longer accepted, you'll be required to either go without or accept that other system.

However, i am aware that i'm not able to create a working system in the real world. There needs to be a lot of work done, before we can throw this into the world. But... this system is completely non-profit. No loans. No created of money.

Originally Posted by "Aug 27th 2012

I keep getting back to this whole idea. There is no valid reason not to do this. No valid reason to stop this idea from becoming real. There are only excuses. The only reason there is for not making it real YET is that it not only needs to be realized as a working plan, but that it also needs the proper tools developed.
The excuses "we" use for not allowing this to become real is money. Not money as a value or as a means to provide for ourselves. Would this have been the case, then we wouldn't have had this problem in the first place. I'm talking about power, control and suppression. We have come far enough to be able to do without. Despite this fact, we are still hooked on the past. More and more people are seeing that this is not the way we want it, but are convinced that we have no other choice. This comes from all those countries where there is a democracy. Where does this idea come from if it IS a democracy? Democracy is just a way of faking the control in the hands of the people. Who is really in control? The one with all the money. 1% of all people in the world have 80% of all the money in the world. Now what do those people have... despite money. The power.

Yesterday i watched a documentary about the healthcare in the USA. The guy went to Cuba and what happened there convinced me even more that this idea is not some dreamer's dream. There healthcare is about health. Whereas everywhere else it's about profit. One woman needed 2 inhalers a month @ $120 each. In Cuba she had to pay $0.05. Now isn't that a bit of a weird difference? Another woman needed 9 different medicines and after checkup it was cut down to 5. Difference in all this is care vs profit.

If you look at how almost the entire world works, then you might even wonder how we are all allowing it to be this way. Instead of helping or giving support, people are being kept a victim... NOT gotten out. The more money that can be made and the easier it can be made, the more you'll be kept right where you are. In healthcare it's even more so. You're being given enough to get you out the biggest issues. If they can keep you sick, but not so sick you will die, they will given you the right medicine. As someone said on TV a long time ago, "You'll get pill 1 to get rid of the rash. Pill 1 has a nasty side effect and you get to take pill 2 for that. Pill 2 has a side-effect too and for that you get pill 3. The combination of pill 1 and 3 could possible give you a headache. To make sure it doesn't happen, you get pill 4 and so on and so on. You end up taking 12 pills who cost $50 a bottle or more, which you have to take 3 times a day for just a rash."

How can we honestly say that we care about our people if you don't even care for them. Why aren't we taking care of them, because we don't want to lose power. Power is money. Power is control. Power is submission. What gives us this power. Money does. What allows us to remain docile. Money does. Who keeps us there, we do. Why do we keep us there, because we don't want to lose our money.
Now if you think about it, money is almost as ancient as the first tools. The only difference is, we refined all other tools. Not money though. We changed money. It used to be a tool of trade, to make it easier to buy stuff. Give one gold coin to buy a horse, instead of having to give 30 chickens. That was the reason why money was created. Even today, money has no value. Yet we give it a value anyway. Money has lost its original purpose and transformed it into a tool of power. It has taken us away from the things we need. It has become a replacement drug and the most legal of all. Having money makes us want more money. Get too hooked on it and you'll never get enough. You NEED more and more. That's what we make us believe ourselves. We have forgotten our needs and money makes us project our focus outward. We forget what we really need. We forget what we want. We forget our desires. And the most important thing of all, we forget who we are. The moment when the first person forgot who he was, was the instant our world went into a downward spiral. Money has made the world to what it is today. How many people just do NOT like the world it is now? Yet how many people can honestly say that they don't want money anymore?
I don't want money. It didn't really hit me how much i've distanced myself from it, until last week. I took out 500 dollars from the atm and held it in my hand. Before i went to the atm, i was afraid someone might mug me and take away my money. As soon as i took the money out and held it in my hand i noticed a difference in the feeling. I know i need it to buy my tickets. I know i need it to support myself in regards of food/water/clothes. But that's just it. It didn't feel like it was important or valuable at all.

Originally Posted by Sept 6th 2012

Dear World,

This is an open letter to which ever part of you is willing to listen. It is unknown how many parts of you are fed up, too tired or even willing to change. How long have you been in puberty? I see how much you've learned and how much you've had to endure. There have been times, when it actually seemed to be the end. Yet you got up and continued, but... It seems like you are now aimless and clueless. You know you're not healthy, but try to keep on doing what you do, despite more and more objection and reaction. Small parts have already seperated themselves from you. Isn't it time for change?

Your technology has come so far and brought us so much. However, instead of bringing prosperity and longevity, it has given you greed, war and what's the worst... Individuals. The true community has died. All your cells that have the "western world" touch, no longer have any idea what needs are. They think and BELIEVE that their wants are their needs. They search for fullfillment in the material world. They get more and then want more. It will never be enough, because that is not what they desire. They "connect" with so many people, because they do not want to be alone. They call themselves social, yet they don't even know their neighbours. They don't have time to watch the neighbour's house, because work and money is more important. Maybe they would if they got payed.

They talk about having a heart, yet they don't care about the homeless. The more they have, the smaller their heart is. The more they have, the less they give. The ones who have the least, give the most. Shouldn't every single cell deserve the same treatment and attention? Shouldn't every cell have a heart of the same size? Doesn't every cell deserve to be shaken up, so they can wake up? So they can see what it is they desire? What it is they need? Isn't healthier much better than being saturated with all the stuff that kills you? Isn't it time to finally start to work as one entire organ? Isn't it time to step into the young adult stage?

It's time to get back into shape. To cast out the unhealthy habits. Quantity, property, loneliness, heartless, careless, depression and what not. It's not going to be easy, since even the governments are acting like kids. Those are the ones in charge. It has to start somewhere. Someone has to start to be different. Remember the saying, "all change begins with yourself"? Time to live this example. It is time to let every cell enjoy its life. Work to live, not live to work. Find a way to give every cell a chance to do what it wants. To get every cell to support its self by doing its hobby. To get every cell its purpose back. To no longer cast out cells because they choose to be different.

Lets not forget your health either. You're supposed last a couple of millenia more. That is not going to happen if you let this continue. Products being created to be consumed, instead of being created to last. Fossil fuels won't just eventually run out, they are also very inefficient and also polute. Use your cells to research better and cleaner alternatives. Focus on a goal OTHER than profit. Don't forget about the forests/jungles. Unless you plan on killing about 80% of your cells, they will eventually die themselves. Overpopulation is another one. You may think that researching and creating more resistant crops will be the answer, but you are just hoping. They will either have side-effects on the long term or they will weed out the original crops and/or other plants. You know you can only support so much cells. Ignoring it will only postpone the inevitable. You must have already noticed that diseases are becoming more difficult to treat and i doubt i will have to explain you why.

There is a minority of cells that is aware of the current problems. A lot of other cells call them "crazy", "troublemakers" or "delusional". Some are even called criminals. How can you call a cell a criminal if its only trying to wake cells/the world up. To try and get a little healthier. It is no longer a "that's over there" problem. To specify these "problems" as such would be very narrowminded and ignorant. Everything effects everything. You no longer have only little problems. You are sick, obese, lazy and spoiled. You can ignore the cells who are aware, but it will come at a price. This price gets higher and higher the longer you wait. It is time to act now. If you want to return to your healthy self again. Even if you started in 2000, you wouldn't even be back in shape in 2100. This takes time. Healing takes much longer than creating a cut.

One more thing. Technology has caught up with pretty much every invention made before the middle ages. If not caught up, it has been improved. Yet money is the only exception. It hasn't been caught up. It has not even been improved. It's even less useful than it ever was. You won't like it, but money is long past obsolete. You grasp onto it as if it's the air you breath. Wake up. Technology has surpassed the use of money.

Sincerely,

A concerned cell

Advanced capitalism has proven to be neither earth or people friendly. No big surprise those who are seduced by such a way will defend it to the hilt.

[Selenphina]

I've just got to say... be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. Your theory here is far from new. All systems have their problems. This sounds like communism a lot. it might have attractive ideas but in reality has been proven to not be so great. For one thing, who decides what we get? will the keep themselves adhered to the same standards if they make the rules? What if they drop the amount of money til everyone can barely survive. That's feudalism like we had in the middle ages. and not all rulers are benevolent and good. Also most people will not have the incentive to do well in their work. There goes the idea of working hard to reach goals and dreams. Lastly, digital currency is possible and been discussed by many these days. But what happens if you disagree with government and they just turn your money off. it can be used to control people and i don't trust government. Good ideas though, just don't know if it would really work.

Originally Posted by Selenphina

I've just got to say... be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. Your theory here is far from new. All systems have their problems. This sounds like communism a lot. it might have attractive ideas but in reality has been proven to not be so great. For one thing, who decides what we get? will the keep themselves adhered to the same standards if they make the rules? What if they drop the amount of money til everyone can barely survive. That's feudalism like we had in the middle ages. and not all rulers are benevolent and good. Also most people will not have the incentive to do well in their work. There goes the idea of working hard to reach goals and dreams. Lastly, digital currency is possible and been discussed by many these days. But what happens if you disagree with government and they just turn your money off. it can be used to control people and i don't trust government. Good ideas though, just don't know if it would really work.

I’d say in this country there are already a lot of people with barely enough money to survive. Most people do have the incentive to do well in their work, but many of them would appreciate a one job living wage so they don’t have to work one or two extra jobs to make ends meet. Working all the time, barely surviving and having no time to enjoy life or family is the life of a feudal peasant, unless of course the noble lord allows them Sundays so they can secure themselves a better life after death

Anything is possible including the government having the money turned off as well as people disagreeing with the ruler's government. Should you have to be informed how unsettling and scary both possibilities can be for either ?

Who decides what others will get ? Perhaps those who have better plans and hold the people in higher regards than the not so benevolent ruling elite who are running the show now.

Perhaps the none too benevolent rulers feel they must maintain rule by presenting scary scenarios, or issuing warnings of what will happen to those who question authority and talk openly of change for the better.

The words ‘rulers’ and ‘rule’ bespeaks not to me of benevolence, True leaders are with the people, not over them.

Curious, what exactly sounds like communism to you ? Can you tell me what communism is ?

[Selenphina]

I'm sorry... didn't mean to start a debate. The theory is good with good ideas. I just have the habit if questioning everything and I don't know if in reality it would work out as good as it sounds. It's true our current system in the U S does not work. As for communism, I'm not an expert but is that where all are paid equally despite the work done and it is the idea of primary concern for the common good and social classes are equalled? It just seemed similar is all but I could really be wrong about that cause I haven't studied it in depth. Anyway... I mean no harm here, I just don't trust anyone in power because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In a different world it could work but i'm not sure in this one for a while yet. I know about not having money... My husband lost his job a while ago and I was a stay at home mom. We didn't have much to live on before he lost his job, and we have two children so it is hard. I'm looking at finding a seasonal job soon, so that will help for a few months. anyhoo.. peace.

Originally Posted by Selenphina

I'm sorry... didn't mean to start a debate. The theory is good with good ideas. I just have the habit if questioning everything and I don't know if in reality it would work out as good as it sounds. It's true our current system in the U S does not work. As for communism, I'm not an expert but is that where all are paid equally despite the work done and it is the idea of primary concern for the common good and social classes are equalled? It just seemed similar is all but I could really be wrong about that cause I haven't studied it in depth. Anyway... I mean no harm here, I just don't trust anyone in power because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In a different world it could work but i'm not sure in this one for a while yet. I know about not having money... My husband lost his job a while ago and I was a stay at home mom. We didn't have much to live on before he lost his job, and we have two children so it is hard. I'm looking at finding a seasonal job soon, so that will help for a few months. anyhoo.. peace.

Who's debating ?

You mentioned a 'different world', but know there are powers at play that would keep this world the same as a different better world for the people would be detrimental to those who now wield such powers. Kind of what happened to Batista's regime in Cuba. I'm not claiming Cuba is now some utopia, but no one is starving there and at least they have free college and medical care. Sure they don't have the latest gadgets, fashions, modern automobiles and the other material things like what's used to keep Americans subdued and peacefully pacified, but it's a lot better than when the imperialistic puppet Batista was running the show.

I wish you and your family all the best.

What is now patently clear , is that the current fiscal models are not working and certainly facing challenge upon challenge. Maybe change will be forced upon the monetary system .

[Tezorian]

Originally Posted by Selenphina

I've just got to say... be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. Your theory here is far from new. All systems have their problems. This sounds like communism a lot. it might have attractive ideas but in reality has been proven to not be so great. For one thing, who decides what we get? will the keep themselves adhered to the same standards if they make the rules? What if they drop the amount of money til everyone can barely survive. That's feudalism like we had in the middle ages. and not all rulers are benevolent and good. Also most people will not have the incentive to do well in their work. There goes the idea of working hard to reach goals and dreams. Lastly, digital currency is possible and been discussed by many these days. But what happens if you disagree with government and they just turn your money off. it can be used to control people and i don't trust government. Good ideas though, just don't know if it would really work.

1. This idea is a basic draft, but it's not like communism. Basically there is NO money at all. For the time being it just uses a number to prevent people from hording whatever they want. It is to get people back to what they need and allow a little bit of luxury. Little is of course relative. For some it is maybe better to have a daily amount, instead of monthly or weekly to ensure they are not able to spend all money in a day. In essence noone gets payed and instead just a a maximum of what they are able to spend. The biggest problem here is adjusting the prices of food and housing.

2. As for work, there is the biggest (positive) challenge basically. If people are happy doing what they do, they will do a good job. As such, it should be easier for people to find another job. Less than good work could mean 3 things. You don't like your job. You're not suited/qualified for the job. You are not well mentally, physically or spiritually. For all 3 options there should be another possibility.
-The first is to find a job that does suit you. Either a different job at once or see what kind of education you would need to get the job you want.
-Second is basically the same as the first.
-Thirdly is to find the right kind of help to make you healthy again. Since profit is no longer an issue in this system, you will be told much sooner whether a type of help is good for you.

3. As i said, people don't get payed. You just get a certain amount to spend. I know this sound like the same thing, but it's not. The government is basically just there to arange things. Another part should be assigned to arrange the amount people get to spend. i.e If someone is employed they get a fixed amount. If someone is self-employed, their income is at maximum the fixed amount. Even if they "receive" more payments. (Yes, fraud is possible as is, this needs work). People who refuse to work will only get enough money to pay for food. It's a choice to refuse to work, but with it come consequences.

I know that the biggest issue in this whole thing is and also the reason why it's going to take time to incorporate it, is that it needs to be built on honest. Hence why this system "as is" is highly vulnerable to fraud.

[Tezorian]

As for starting a debate. Not a problem perse. As long as it "attacks" this idea i have in my head. As "Wisa'ka" said, those so confined and entwined in this system, will defend it at all costs. However it needs to be noted that once this system is in effect, they will no longer have the power to fight it.

The thing that i find scary is that i feel so strongly that this idea will work. The only problem i have right now, am i willing or is anyone willing to put all this time and energy into this idea, knowing we might not live to see it come alive.

[Chrysaetos]

You call property unhealthy? Well my friend that's what a communist would say.

Democracy is still the best option we have (it recognizes differences). As for the few that control the many, If you live your life with the attitude then you won't get far. In our western world you have the means to achieve a successful life. If we want to blame it all on the government or ''the rich'' then we don't really propose a new system, we're just lining up with socialists and communists... blaming our lack of motivation on those who don't lack it.

Why should hard working, educated people pay for the attitudes of the lazy in the western world? I've seen poverty in Africa and Asia, people who lack welfare.
When I go home I see people willingly living on the dole and people who didn't pay attention back in school, and then they blame society..