Is this Insanity?

[organic born]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

i speak of empowerment.
i desire to empower people.

Individuals can only empower themselves. Your general intent leads to eventual exhaustion, for yourself, and serves as an irritant to those you are seeking to change.

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

the second post was in response to statements which
attempt to remove power from humans and disperse
it in an unreachable past. i believe that the statements
i've made there are factual and beyond reproach.

I continually question my own conclusions. The moment you stop doing so you begin to freeze into a ice cube of belief. "Beyond reproach" is a pretty big claim. Thankfully I'm not cursed with such certainty.

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

the earlier posting was of observations that i have
developed. i see zero conflict between the two postings.
understanding is a thing which exists in the here and now.
events are markers placed within a framework of time.

i do not see a reason that you should be confused.

Well then, let's try this again.

You said:

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

history provides a context for understanding events. [in my estimation]
context provides an opportunity for meaning; there is absolutely
no meaning to anything without a context for it. [i believe]

And then you said:

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

there is no power in the past. the past is a bygone.

Not confused by what you said, I'm just stating the obvious. Perhaps you are nursing some internal contradictions that presently you're not fully aware of. :)

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

i believe that i cannot deliver empowerment to individuals who
are already empowered. i truly wish that people realize that
they are empowered beings. i expend zero effort in a fruitless
activity, so there's no need for concern in that regard.
that you may become irritated at me is for you to decide;
i grant you the freedom of choice in how you desire to perceive.

you are free to decide that uncertainty is your highest calling,
and that you are not frozen into that mode of being. i imagine
that perpetual doubt would be uncomfortable for most beings;
but i cannot state that with any particular degree of certainty.

stating the obvious? what is your statement?

i don't desire to be harsh, but perhaps you are:
still working among shadows and in no way have the depth of wisdom
that you believe you've earned through your years of dedicated inquiries.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

here's another pretty song:
Could We Start Again Please?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvXquqTwoU

[organic born]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

i don't desire to be harsh, but perhaps you are:
still working among shadows and in no way have the depth of wisdom
that you believe you've earned through your years of dedicated inquiries.

Indeed what you say is true.
both for myself
and specifically for you

for enlightenment is a byproduct
of knowing you don't know
and then embracing the mystery of it all.

I am a dreamer
wide open to the dream
while you strike me as a soul of structured thought.

Yours works for you
while mine works for me
and in mine you come across as a little thick. :)

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

i've noticed that you've never answered my direct questions to you organic born.
i'll venture to ask another.
by "a little thick" are you saying that you perceive me as stupid?

= = = =
i wish to hereby apologize to Gold3nDragon3ye for having allowed
a slur of his character to go unchallenged. after a mere 2 postings,
someone deemed it appropriate to judge his "depth of wisdom" to
be lacking in some manner, and i allowed that character assassination
to go uncorrected.
i apologize.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

here's another song
Pink Floyd ~ Goodbye Blue Sky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJUuDoRZpyU

[organic born]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

i've noticed that you've never answered my direct questions to you organic born.
i'll venture to ask another.
by "a little thick" are you saying that you perceive me as stupid?

You tend more to make statements, as apposed to asking questions. But I will answer this one. Of course you are stupid in your own way. Everyone is, I am as well. So there, that one is settled. :)

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

= = = =
i wish to hereby apologize to Gold3nDragon3ye for having allowed
a slur of his character to go unchallenged. after a mere 2 postings,
someone deemed it appropriate to judge his "depth of wisdom" to
be lacking in some manner, and i allowed that character assassination
to go uncorrected.
i apologize.

I watch people question the wisdom of another all the time on this form, you don't seem to show up at those funerals. You questioned mine, I await your apology. Dang, you're going to be busy if you're to cover for every ego on this forum. :)

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Gold3nDragon3ye

The norm we are a custom to is a learned behavior.
Do not be scared to question otherwise you will say is this INSANITY?

When I read a book these days, it's almost always a history book, that's about all I read anymore. And I read history because the personalities interest me; I enjoy the life drama and human-interest aspect. I don't read history for spiritual purposes; to make sense of existence or give grandiose meaning to material reality. It is my life that gives meaning to material reality. My experiences. Every thought, word and deed of mine, has meaning. The meaning of my life is defined by me, and not some thing outside of and apart from me.

Statements like "gives life meaning" are tossed out repeatedly in spiritual forums like this, I think because they sound meaningful and profound. They sound spiritual in other words, something a God, or a Jesus, or a Buddha would surely teach. Our good old reliable Pisces Age mentors. Why did Church males create their God in men's image? Ego. It's the ego that still wants to believe there are profound spiritual happenings taking place, orchestrated from on high. It gives the ego assurance, and its thought-constructs relevance. If my Dad is the richest person in the world, then that makes me a multi-billionaire too.

The definition of insanity is adopting the same Pisces Age learned behavior and adopted belief-constructs, and expecting a different spirit-insight result in this Aquarius Age. This is grabbing onto square peg beliefs yet again, even after the collective consciousness journey has metamorphosed into a round hole. To stop my learned behavior, I first needed to unlearn Pisces Age thought patterns. I had to free myself completely from the way in which I was taught to conceptualize Spirit, in order to avoid shackling myself to just another, different square peg belief paradigm.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

The Moody Blues ~ Question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9iOqdxS8c

organic born: You tend more to make statements, as apposed to asking questions.

how can you claim knowledge of my tendencies?
is this not more of a perception of yours than a fact?
is it not based solely on our interactions in this specific thread?

organic born: I watch people question the wisdom of another
all the time on this form, you don't seem to show up at those funerals.
You questioned mine, I await your apology.

so you believe that post #10 was a questioning of wisdom?
was it not rather a pronouncement of (perceived) lack of one individual,
made to another individual?
was the purpose of that posting to provide enlightenment (an increased
understanding) to anyone at all?
where specifically have i questioned your wisdom?
where have i declared your lack of understanding?
for what insult do you feel i should apologize?

where i have "questioned your wisdom", it was in post #22.
i have asked you to clarify your thought(s) from post #19 and #21.
you have spoken of "stating the obvious", but made no statements!
you appear to believe that my comments are "conflicting", but i have said
that i see no conflict within them. if you were to have responded and
explained where you sense conflict, then i may have been afforded the
opportunity to learn something... or i may have been allowed the chance
to clear a misconception that you are holding.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Baile: It's the ego that still wants to believe there are profound spiritual happenings taking place, orchestrated from on high. It gives the ego assurance, and its thought-constructs relevance.

i experience this thought as "out of the norm" for what people understand as
the function of Ego. the common wisdom seems to hold that the Ego denies
validity for "spiritual happenings" -- because it feels threatened by them.

perhaps this thread tends towards insanity?
history holds many lessons for those of us willing to learn (i believe),
but it also speaks of the futility of attempting to teach something
to those unwilling to be open to understanding... like beating a dead horse.

H:O:R:A:C:E