Learning to Listen

[Guillaume]

Originally Posted by sky

What knowledge we have without wisdom on how to use it becomes useless, we lose it.
Knowledge and wisdom leads to insight, but to gain wisdom you first need to have the knowledge and then use the knowledge to gain wisdom which leads to insight. Just my opinion though

Yes, that could be.
Reading you, I was thinking : knowledge implying a purpose, which is a focus, an attention. If we rephrase we get something like :
Whatever we focus on, we get more of it, whatever we're not aware of, we won't get anything from it.
That is very true with listening.

Therefore ... we should let go!

Originally Posted by Molearner

Consider John 10:30….”I and the Father are one”. It is Jesus speaking but does anyone ever think that when Jesus says ‘I’ it could possibly mean I(meaning me or self)?

I like Swami Vivekananda's comments on John 10:30. https://vivekavani.com/swami-vivekan...my-father-one/

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I like Swami Vivekananda's comments on John 10:30. https://vivekavani.com/swami-vivekan...my-father-one/

Now THIS made me very happy, since this is what I know to be true.

''Why is there any separation between soul and man, between soul and God? . . . Just to have this enjoyment of love....
He split Himself into many . . . “This is the whole reason for creation”.... We are all one.
‘I and my Father are one.''

Originally Posted by Guillaume

What about criticism?
I think it could apply too, just like knowledge, experience, or many other dimensions of understanding.

Guillaume,

Submit the verse and maybe it will be accepted for the next edition of the Bible….��. Other verses in the Bible speak directly to the dimensions you cited. I think it was wise to not attempt to mention all in one sentence…..

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I like Swami Vivekananda's comments on John 10:30. https://vivekavani.com/swami-vivekan...my-father-one/

JASG,

Thanks…..that was giving meat to my one little observation. Thanks…..:)

Originally Posted by Visitor

"He who has ears, let him hear". Our ears hear the truth unconditionally, but if we allow mental interpretation than we only hear what we want to hear _ conditionally.

Visitor,

Sorry but impossible to ‘hear’ without mental interpretation…….facial expression, gestures, tone of voice all contribute to understanding what another is saying. Is it sarcastic, rhetorical, questioning, challenging, confident, looking the audience in the eye…..? There are literally a myriad of aspects to hearing….and, yes, it will be conditional on many of the things I mentioned.

Two persons give the identical speech,,,,,one is dressed as a priest,,,,the other as a worker,,,,,,do we ‘hear’ the same speech ?

[kanik]

Learn to Listen. - I think it is one of the hardest things to learn for most of the people.

Learning to listen…..continued. Psalm 1:2….”and on his word he meditates day and night”…demanding that we bring a focused attention and consciousness to everything that we read or hear….carefully listening. Consider the first 2 verses of the Sermon on the Mount….Matthew 5:1-2…KJV…..”And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying…”. The KJV is important in this case because other versions, in an attempt for more understandable and contemporary English, lose some of the subtleties expressed by the KJV.

Reading it spiritually……’multitude’ indicates that a duality was present….namely spiritual people and unspiritual people….literalists. ‘Mountain’ is a spiritual place…a level of higher consciousness. ‘went UP INTO a mountain’….not onto but into…into a spiritual place or level.

‘and when he was set’ not ‘when he sat down’…..getting set is an intentional process with purpose. Buddhists might be reminded of zazen…an experience to gain insight and help lead one to enlightenment. Then, and only then, did he open his mouth to speak.

It should be noted that his disciples, we can discern, had front row seats. ‘He taught them’ referring to the disciples. Logically they were in front for careful listening….able to perceive nuances and be closest to the radiation of Spirit. Also so they could be later identified as those closest to Jesus and to be tested for their association with him…not just simply there to learn. Later Jesus would tell them that the Spirit would help them to remember everything that he had taught them…….maybe those front row seats had not only helped their memory but had given them a dose of the Spirit ?……..:)

As always we can easily miss much of the meaning of Scripture if we fail to bring focus.

[sky]

[quote=Guillaume]
"Reading you, I was thinking : knowledge implying a purpose, which is a focus, an attention. If we rephrase we get something like :
Whatever we focus on, we get more of it, whatever we're not aware of, we won't get anything from it."

If we don't use it, we lose it