Is Krishna Narayana?

[Serrao]

Thanks, Sunsoul and Vinayaka, for your explanatory answers.

[kralaro]

Originally Posted by Serrao

I would be very glad if you shared this story.

I am very fond of spiritual Hindu epics.

Glad to serve you but there's nothing special in that story IMO, why did I even offer to share it LOL. This is how I know it:

Vishnu took avatar of Nar & Narayana to kill Sahasra-kavacha who was wreaking havoc on others with his powers. Sahasrakavacha had 1000 divine armors which he had asked as boon from Sun god. In the boon he had also asked that whoever cuts off his armor will die immediately. Nar & Narayana took turns in destroying his armors; when Nar would fight, Narayana would perform austerities to gain power to resurrect dead Nar, and vice versa. So Nar would break one armor, die because of the boon Sahasrakavacha had, Narayana would resurrect Nar, Nar would start his austerities for gaining power to resurrect Narayana and Narayana would start fighting Sahasrakavacha. 999 armors were thus destroyed and with his last armor left, Sahasrakavacha approached Sun god for protection. Nar & Narayana asked Sun god for Sahasrakavacha but Sun god refused to part with his devotee. Sahasrakavacha was reborn as son of Sun god as a human called Karna, along with his last remaining divine armor. Nar & Narayana followed him and took birth as Arjuna and Krishna. Arjuna killed Karna.

Now while sharing all this I'm questioning myself that technically what was the need for rebirth; I think Nar & Narayana ended their avatar life on Earth like other Vishnu avatars and then Krishna was born later on Earth for the needs of that time.

[Serrao]

Originally Posted by kralaro

Glad to serve you but there's nothing special in that story IMO, why did I even offer to share it LOL. This is how I know it:

I'm glad you did.

Originally Posted by kralaro

Vishnu took avatar of Nar & Narayana to kill Sahasra-kavacha who was wreaking havoc on others with his powers. Sahasrakavacha had 1000 divine armors which he had asked as boon from Sun god. In the boon he had also asked that whoever cuts off his armor will die immediately. Nar & Narayana took turns in destroying his armors; when Nar would fight, Narayana would perform austerities to gain power to resurrect dead Nar, and vice versa. So Nar would break one armor, die because of the boon Sahasrakavacha had, Narayana would resurrect Nar, Nar would start his austerities for gaining power to resurrect Narayana and Narayana would start fighting Sahasrakavacha. 999 armors were thus destroyed and with his last armor left, Sahasrakavacha approached Sun god for protection. Nar & Narayana asked Sun god for Sahasrakavacha but Sun god refused to part with his devotee. Sahasrakavacha was reborn as son of Sun god as a human called Karna, along with his last remaining divine armor. Nar & Narayana followed him and took birth as Arjuna and Krishna. Arjuna killed Karna.

Nice story. Thanks for sharing.
I've read more than once that Vishnu incarnates mostly to liberate oppressed peoples from evil beings and to restore values and morality.

Originally Posted by kralaro

Krishna was born later on Earth for the needs of that time.

In my experience, with the gift of the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna also incarnated for future generations.
The Bhagavad Gita was very helpful on my spiritual journey.

[themyth]

I would say he is :)
and also heard in the Vishnu Sahasranamam

[Andre_C]

If all is One, how could it be otherwise than that ultimately, they are the same One?

[Serrao]

Originally Posted by Andre_C

If all is One, how could it be otherwise than that ultimately, they are the same One?

The philosophy/theory of oneness/non-duality might not be absolutely and/or completely true.

Duality seems very true and real too...at least to me.

Just my view.

[kralaro]

Originally Posted by Andre_C

If all is One, how could it be otherwise than that ultimately, they are the same One?

Andre_C,
Chanting "Krishna" (or "Narayana") gives the same effect as chanting any random person's name?

[Andre_C]

Originally Posted by kralaro

Andre_C,
Chanting "Krishna" (or "Narayana") gives the same effect as chanting any random person's name?

No, I don't believe it would, although I've never tried doing that.

But I don't see how that relates to the identity of Krishna and Narayana.

[kralaro]

Originally Posted by Andre_C

I don't see how that relates to the identity of Krishna and Narayana.

It was reply to your answer. You said: all is one, hence => Krishna and Narayana are same. I don't think such answer would help the OP or anyone else reading this thread.

The OP may be coming from context of that he may have read that one should do bhakti to Krishna and then the OP may have got introduced to Narayana and may be wondering that whether the teachings of bhakti to Krishna applies to Narayana, and if he worships Narayana then would he be worshiping the same god/God.
Or the OP may be coming from context of just curiosity of theoretical knowledge and in that case also your answer doesn't help.

Like,
Person 1: Hey, are the lead actor in both the movies the same?
Person 2: All is one, hence => they are same.

Such answers don't help anyone IMO.

[kralaro]

Originally Posted by kralaro

Andre_C,
Chanting "Krishna" (or "Narayana") gives the same effect as chanting any random person's name?

This may explain what I meant:
You said: all is one, hence => Krishna and Narayana are the same.
By the same logic, Krishna and any random person are also the same.
As Krishna and any random person are same, so chanting "Krishna" gives the same effect as chanting any random person's name.

This is why I asked you the question.

But you replied that effect won't be same according to you. But this contradicts the above logic.