I'm in a spiritual crisis. What is truth?

[Soulfly]

I have reached a point of spiritual crisis in my life. I don't see a coherent picture of the greater reality. What happens after death? What is the exact truth about everything? Different spiritual experiences seem to contradict each other and people seeking truth will come to different conclusions.

I would love for people to share their stories. How did you get to the truth and what did you find?

I might add that I'm really looking for verified objective experiences and evidences. Subjective experiences (real as they might be) just don't cut it for me as reliable evidence.

[iamthat]

You ask people to share their stories about how they found truth but then you say you are not interested in subjective experiences. Truth is not something external and objective. The answers you seek are found within, and that will be your own subjective realisation.

Peace

Originally Posted by Soulfly

I might add that I'm really looking for verified objective experience.

And how will you know these experiences being recounted are objective and verified?

Anyway, I could tell you that "I am", but there is no way for you to verify that, so that only works for me....lets see....what else.....that's pretty much all I got along those lines. Try it, see if it works for you.

Objective experiences and evidence are the domain of science. Subjective experiences are given specifically for you. You deny both your humanity and divinity if you discount the subjective......IMO

And perhaps the crisis is intellectual rather than spiritual. Intuition is spiritual in nature.....be willing to put trust in it.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Soulfly

I have reached a point of spiritual crisis in my life. I don't see a coherent picture of the greater reality. What happens after death? What is the exact truth about everything? Different spiritual experiences seem to contradict each other and people seeking truth will come to different conclusions.

I would love for people to share their stories. How did you get to the truth and what did you find?

I might add that I'm really looking for verified objective experiences and evidences. Subjective experiences (real as they might be) just don't cut it for me as reliable evidence.

Hello Soulfly, you seem like you know the difference between subjective and objective. Many spiritual people seem to confuse the definitions of subjective with objective and vice versa. Objectivity is seeing and knowing the greater reality or truth for yourself, no matter what. Noone can show you proof of the greater reality/truth, you need to see the greater reality/truth for yourself objectively without any outside interference or distractions (subjectivity) Read the article I linked to, in my signature below.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Soulfly

I have reached a point of spiritual crisis in my life. I don't see a coherent picture of the greater reality. What happens after death? What is the exact truth about everything? Different spiritual experiences seem to contradict each other and people seeking truth will come to different conclusions.

I would love for people to share their stories. How did you get to the truth and what did you find?

I might add that I'm really looking for verified objective experiences and evidences. Subjective experiences (real as they might be) just don't cut it for me as reliable evidence.

You can't get your answers from others. You can get them only from your inner source of knowledge and guidance.

Realize that you have no way to recognize the veracity of what any external source tells you.

Start by leaving aside all your existing beliefs and expectations about the truth you want to find.

It is a worthy path.

Originally Posted by Molearner

Objective experiences and evidence are the domain of science. Subjective experiences are given specifically for you. You deny both your humanity and divinity if you discount the subjective......IMO

That is what the scientist think, and to be fair, they do a much better job with it then most. Yet it would seem that perhaps what science considers good approximations of objective reality, in the end may be more like a measure of subjective consensus about co-created realities. Commonalities that science can detect, describe, and make predictions based upon those descriptions, but those underlying commonalities are based on a consensus of creation within consciousnesses, not any truly objective and consistent base level reality that they are bound to observe.

Good point regarding the subjective being a part of ones humanity, what we are seeing what we look 'out there' is really within ourselves, in more ways than one.

Anyway, @Soulfly, perhaps you should consult DesCartes evil demon to get a good starting place from which to build your objective realities.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Hello Soulfly, you seem like you know the difference between subjective and objective. Many spiritual people seem to confuse the definitions of subjective with objective and vice versa. Objectivity is seeing and knowing the greater reality or truth for yourself, no matter what. Noone can show you proof of the greater reality/truth, you need to see the greater reality/truth for yourself objectively without any outside interference or distractions (subjectivity).

Subjective and objective may be used in different ways in different contexts. Any discussion on this is really a tangent from the subject. The meanings seem obvious to me, but perhaps let's avoid the use of these words.

Soulfly seems to want answers which can be measured and verified, with supporting concrete evidence. Unfortunately, that which he wants cannot be measured or verified with concrete evidence, it can only be known by each one of us through direct experience. And such knowledge of these things cannot be verified by any other person.

So if Soulfly really wants the answers then he has to find them within, or be willing to accept anecdotal evidence.

Peace

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Subjective and objective may be used in different ways in different contexts. Any discussion on this is really a tangent from the subject. The meanings seem obvious to me, but perhaps let's avoid the use of these words.

Soulfly seems to want answers which can be measured and verified, with supporting concrete evidence. Unfortunately, that which he wants cannot be measured or verified with concrete evidence, it can only be known by each one of us through direct experience. And such knowledge of these things cannot be verified by any other person.

So if Soulfly really wants the answers then he has to find them within, or be willing to accept anecdotal evidence.

Peace

There is no point of using a word, if you are not going to use the word in the word's intended true context. This is being deceitful to say the least, and is the reason why the world is the way it is today. You either spread deceit by spreading false beliefs (miltha) that creates maya (ignorance of the truth) or you spread truth. It is either one or the other. The definitions in the dictionary are not a conspiracy to deceit you.