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[relinquish]

The most fundamental aspect of any'thing' is the totality of everything 'else' that is not that thing.

In anything, we can see everything.

In truth, there are no 'particular things'.

There is only 'What IS'.

'What IS' does not require anything 'else' in order for 'it' to exist, and so exists causelessly, without another, forever and ever.

Therefore, 'What IS' can not be 'something'.

'What IS' is actually 'nothing', and so remains eternaly 'un-manifested'.

This causeless, infinite 'ISness' is the most real possible reality.

'IT' simply 'IS'.

Forever necessarily from this infinite, eternal reality apparently arises it's absolute opposite.

This apparent manifestation is itself an illusory effect that doesn't actually exist separately from the eternal nothingness of 'What IS', and so takes presicely the form of what ISN'T.

What ISN'T is 'duality'.

I.E., Movement/stillness, change/changelessness, absolute chaos/absolute order, form/emptiness, sound/silence, structure/foundation, observed/observer.

From this illusory arising of duality emanates the apparent 'manyness' known as 'everything'.

Therefore, everything is actually nothing, appearing as many things.

:)

I like this :)

Does the word 'Zen' resonate with you?

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by relinquish

The most fundamental aspect of any'thing' is the totality of everything 'else' that is not that thing.

In anything, we can see everything.

In truth, there are no 'particular things'.

There is only 'What IS'.

'What IS' does not require anything 'else' in order for 'it' to exist, and so exists causelessly, without another, forever and ever.

Therefore, 'What IS' can not be 'something'.

'What IS' is actually 'nothing', and so remains eternaly 'un-manifested'.

This causeless, infinite 'ISness' is the most real possible reality.

'IT' simply 'IS'.

Forever necessarily from this infinite, eternal reality apparently arises it's absolute opposite.

This apparent manifestation is itself an illusory effect that doesn't actually exist separately from the eternal nothingness of 'What IS', and so takes presicely the form of what ISN'T.

What ISN'T is 'duality'.

I.E., Movement/stillness, change/changelessness, absolute chaos/absolute order, form/emptiness, sound/silence, structure/foundation, observed/observer.

From this illusory arising of duality emanates the apparent 'manyness' known as 'everything'.

Therefore, everything is actually nothing, appearing as many things.

:)

So now what? What are you going to do with that information? What difference does it make when it is only something you believe to be so?
An lastly....why post it?

(I'm curious when people post such things to know where they are coming from)

[relinquish]

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

So now what? What are you going to do with that information? What difference does it make when it is only something you believe to be so?
An lastly....why post it?

(I'm curious when people post such things to know where they are coming from)

What can I do with this information? Presicely nothing.

But I will never be seriously afraid of anything, EVER AGAIN.

Even though I know that this body will eventually die and my separate consciousness and entire sense of self will completely dissolve (so that it will be as though I never was), I KNOW that what I actually am is not something that can ever die, because it was never born.

So I have relaxed into the boundless perfection of 'What IS', because that is what we actually are.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

So now what? What are you going to do with that information? What difference does it make when it is only something you believe to be so?
An lastly....why post it?

Why? To share wisdom of course! We should all share our thoughts and experiences which bring us closer to the truth - they may help others on their path. It may not help everybody, but if it helps just one then it is worthwhile. It has helped me and I am glad it was posted.
Peace and love to all.

I feel it's really lovely when somebody shares in that moment of realisation.

Thankyou for sharing reliquish x

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by relinquish

What can I do with this information? Presicely nothing.

But I will never be seriously afraid of anything, EVER AGAIN.

Even though I know that this body will eventually die and my separate consciousness and entire sense of self will completely dissolve (so that it will be as though I never was), I KNOW that what I actually am is not something that can ever die, because it was never born.

So I have relaxed into the boundless perfection of 'What IS', because that is what we actually are.

Only thought can say it knows what we are. Beyond the thought of knowing is unknowable.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Graeme L. H.

Why? To share wisdom of course! We should all share our thoughts and experiences which bring us closer to the truth - they may help others on their path. It may not help everybody, but if it helps just one then it is worthwhile. It has helped me and I am glad it was posted.
Peace and love to all.

"We" are thoughts and experiences. We perpetuate that condition by thinking we are something more.
Wisdom sees the folly of itself....nothing more.

Originally Posted by relinquish
11-24-2012, 01:16 PM, Post #4

Even though I know that this body will eventually die and my separate consciousness and entire sense of self will completely dissolve (so that it will be as though I never was), I KNOW that what I actually am is not something that can ever die, because it was never born.

. "entire sense of self will completely dissolve"

Probably just a mix up in words...my misunderstanding. I'm nitpicking over this one statement. Or perhaps, it's just something for me to talk about. Again.

Wouldn't that make you a Buddha? And yes everyone is, but - I believe i heard the number of people that will reach the full enlightment of a Buddha in the span of this planet will be about 100. Are you one of them?

Do you disagree then with the idea then of Buddhist rebirth and takso's explanation of it in his thread Non-self, Voidness and Rebirth in accordance with Buddhism?

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=39943

The whole idea of Buddhism is the escape of cyclic existence throughout the realms. Or do you think everyone automatically becomes a Buddha at the point of dissolution? How would complete dissolution and no rebirth be different than the materialistic non-spiritual view that birth is the beginning and death the end, consciousness ends and energy returns to it's cosmic origin?

And why bother to spend numerous lifetimes progressing on a path? (hopefully progressing, anyway) With entire dissolution you couldn't.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman
12-01-2012, 10:56 AM, Post #7

Only thought can say it knows what we are. Beyond the thought of knowing is unknowable.

I agree with the first line, but i don't think i get what the second line is saying - meaning.