Meat eating Christians?

[Light420]

Do not Kill means Do not kill.....
It is not Specific......

What do you think. When a plant grows we can pick a part of it resulting in not killing it or we can regrow it through its seed. Recreating life from it.

When we kill a cow we cannot plant a cow leg or rib...and grow a new calf...

With this thinking is meat eating okay for Christians to do?

[Morpheus]

Regarding Noah's Flood, something apparently changed involving planet climatology and the environment. Perhaps physiologically also involvling protein requirements.
It is after the Flood that the Lord say's that mankind can then include meat in their diet.
That the fear of mankind will be present, generally, in the animal kingdom because of it.

"3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/9.htm

[knightofalbion]

The First Blessing was vegan.

The Prophecy of Isaiah is vegan.

The later permission to eat flesh was given at a time when there wasn't sufficient plant food to eat, was only conceded to hardness of heart, was only intended to be temporary and was issued with a curse - 'the blood of your lives shall I require'.
A curse hardly indicates approval. Plus if it was a righteous and intended food then it would have been authorized from the start. It wasn't.

Jesus and the apostles were vegan. Veganism was a cornerstone of the Christ Consciousness teaching and ethos, as a practical daily application of the law of love.

Roman Catholicism was a State sponsored religion, intended to unify the people's of the Roman Empire. The Christian teachings were altered and interpolated to say what they wanted them to say.
The compassionate teachings were anathema to Constantine and would have been similarly so to the meat-eating, blood sports loving masses of the day. So they were suppressed.

This is how the condonement of slavery entered the Bible texts. The Roman Empire ran on slave labour and they needed it to continue.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

The later permission to eat flesh was given at a time when there wasn't sufficient plant food to eat, was only conceded to hardness of heart, was only intended to be temporary and was issued with a curse - 'the blood of your lives shall I require'.
A curse hardly indicates approval. Plus if it was a righteous and intended food then it would have been authorized from the start. It wasn't.

Jesus and the apostles were vegan. Veganism was a cornerstone of the Christ Consciousness teaching and ethos, as a practical daily application of the law of love.

knight... you purposely have taken things out of context.
The blood requirement verse is about the shedding of another persons blood. Not about animals.

Jesus spoke also about "feasts", and gave no indication of a pro vegetarian lifestyle.
He stated that it is not what goes into a person which defiles them, but what is emitted.

"15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from within"

Interesting though, how people will assert certain things.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

knight... you purposely have taken things out of context.
The blood requirement verse is about the shedding of another persons blood. Not about animals.

Jesus spoke also about "feasts", and gave no indication of a pro vegetarian lifestyle.
He stated that it is not what goes into a person which defiles them, but what is emitted.

"15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from within"

Interesting though, how people will assert certain things.

I wasn't going to give this the time of day, but then thought it warranted a response.

The Bible may be your book, but it isn't mine, but if you are going to quote from it, you should at least get the facts straight.

"Interesting how people will assert things"
In Matthew 15 Jesus, partly in allegory, is reproving the hypocrisy and false teaching of the scribes and Pharisees , who had malice in their hearts.
The piece as a whole was triggered by the issue of not washing hands. It's not a lecture on diet.

"And the blood requirement verse is about the shedding of another person's blood. Not about animals." I suggest you re-read it.
If 'you' eat meat with the blood (i.e. non-kosher) then God's curse is upon you. That is what it says, that is what it means and that is why the Jews are so painstakingly meticulous in only eating kosher meat/kosher food.

As for the vegan origins of early Christian, why was James the brother of Jesus and first head of the Christian Church in Jerusalem vegan? As recorded by Hegesippus, the earliest Christian writer and confirmed by St Augustine.
Why was the Apostle Matthew vegan as recorded by Clement of Alexandria? Why was the Apostle Peter vegan as recorded in the Clementine Homilies?
Why was abstention from meat commonplace among the early Christian fathers/saints?
Because it was ordained teaching.
'The disciple is in all things as the Master'.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

...If 'you' eat meat with the blood (i.e. non-kosher) then God's curse is upon you. That is what it says, that is what it means and that is why the Jews are so painstakingly meticulous in only eating kosher meat/kosher food.

yes that is correct. God has forbidden the; meat of a dead animal that is rotting, blood of any kind, the flesh of swine, and any animal which is slaughtered as a sacrifice on which God has not been mentioned while slaughtering. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, and not transgressing, then it is allowed, God is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.

mj

[Gem]

I always mention peoples who's environment isn't suited to agriculture... which means there is no universal morality to this diet issue.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Mathew James

God has forbidden the; meat of a dead animal that is rotting, blood of any kind, the flesh of swine, and any animal which is slaughtered as a sacrifice...

I see now, the Bible was written to turn people into vegetarians. After reading that.

[Starlight]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

The First Blessing was vegan.

The Prophecy of Isaiah is vegan.

The later permission to eat flesh was given at a time when there wasn't sufficient plant food to eat, was only conceded to hardness of heart, was only intended to be temporary and was issued with a curse - 'the blood of your lives shall I require'.
A curse hardly indicates approval. Plus if it was a righteous and intended food then it would have been authorized from the start. It wasn't.

Jesus and the apostles were vegan. Veganism was a cornerstone of the Christ Consciousness teaching and ethos, as a practical daily application of the law of love.

Roman Catholicism was a State sponsored religion, intended to unify the people's of the Roman Empire. The Christian teachings were altered and interpolated to say what they wanted them to say.
The compassionate teachings were anathema to Constantine and would have been similarly so to the meat-eating, blood sports loving masses of the day. So they were suppressed.

This is how the condonement of slavery entered the Bible texts. The Roman Empire ran on slave labour and they needed it to continue.

I agree with you a 100% Love and compassion for all living things is the basis of Spirituality!!!

we were born carnivores.