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Old 05-05-2012, 04:23 AM
sarinmall
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Scientific explanation of Hindu cosmology and reincarnation

Today, science has progressed so much that it almost answers all the queries of our material life but still, there are many areas where science doesn't give us any satisfactory answers. For ex: cosmology. Now, if you compare vedic cosmology with science cosmology then you will find out that vedic cosmology has the upper hand and it explains the universe and its creation in a much better way. Not only cosomology, but there are many other areas too where vedas are considered to be strong and more reliable than today scientific experiment and this is the prime reason why even scientist like Albert einsten and APJ abdul kalam appreciate vedas and recommend researching Vedas.
Note that Scientifically, it has been proven that Vedas are the oldest written manuscript of this earth and are at least 10,000 years old.
Superiority of vedas and other Hinduism religious scriptures over science will be explained in this article and my future articles.
First I will start with the existence of this universe:
Science believes in theory of big bang behind the existence of this universe. According to the Big Bang theory, the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding state. After its initial expansion from a singularity, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons.



Now this big bang theory explains how the current state of the universe came into existence but if you ask how the initial universe (hot and dense) came into existence. Then some scientists say “It simply existed”. simply existed? Are you joking?
Science itself says that “Energy can neither be created nor destroyed”. (Newton law). Then how this initial universe with lot of energy was created simply?
One more questions:
Why don’t the scientists prove the big bang theory by artificially creating an environment where the environment is initially hot and dense and then expand this environment to see if something like the present universe is created i.e: something like earth, sun, moon, and galaxy is created.
Science says big bang is a gradual, kind of evolutionary process and so, science has its own limitations to prove this big bang theory and many such theories.
Are you satisfied with this answer?
Science is based on proof. Now when there is no solid proof behind big bang theory, then how should it be considered as the ultimate truth? Why shouldn’t big bang theory be termed as big bang mythology?

In short, I didn’t find any satisfactory explanation from science on creation of this universe.
Now let us see what the Hinduism religious scriptures say about the creation of this universe.

Initially, there was nothing except the creator. This supreme creator is known as god and is called by different names (Muslims calls this creator as Allah, Christian as Jesus, Hindus calls this creator as lord Vishnu and so on with different faiths). This creator got the desire of creating something through which he can enjoy with his creations. So, this supreme creator released part of his energy and created Lord Brahma and delegated him the task of creating something. Lord Brahma in his dreams used this energy to create our universe. Then Lord Brahma realized that something is still missing and then he created various elements (air, fire, water etc...) These elements are treated as demi-gods in Hinduism. Then Lord Brahma got the desire of using this energy and hence created the feeling of thirst, hunger, smell, love sex etc. Then he created various animals, plants and other creatures with these feelings or the desire to have such feelings. None of his creation has these feelings in same proportion. I.e. Some animal were given the desire of eating flesh whereas some animals were given the desire of eating only plants.
These feelings in inappropriate proportion in his various creations became the major mode of entertainment for the supreme creator.


Lord Vishnu with consort goddess lakshmi and lord brahma (on lotus)

In other words, The Creator just decided that I have to create a new universe and so, he started something like a Big Bang - en expansion so powerful and intense giving rise to life on our planet as we know it and maybe too many planet similar to ours.
So, all humans, animals, plants and whole universe is nothing but the energies of Lord Brahma who himself is the energy of the supreme god (Allah, Jesus, Vishnu etc).

Many reject the existence of The Creator, believing only in science and data gathered and confirmed by its canonical methods. But, on any given day, the same person might find himself in love, deep remorse or sadness. And while contriving the most complex and personal thoughts, he does not, at the time, suppose that his feelings are a random product of firing neurons. How can he then believe that the only distinction between a corpse and a living person is the absence of organ functionality? That we need only revive his physical body to restore him to normality?
If this is the case then all humans died by heart attack cane be made alive again, by making their heart organ start functioning again?
A great sage explains the inability of science to do it in this way: if the creator wants that a particular individual has to die, then no one will be able to save him and if the creator wants that a particular individual has to live then even after his death, he will come back alive again. This current technology like organ transplantation, complex surgical operations is nothing but the will of the gods where he might want to save some of his creations(Humans) but before saving , he want this individual to have a death like experience for his bad karma.

Now let us see what science says about death?
According to science, when the person dies, kinetic energy inside the body is converted into potential energy and stays with the body. This energy is then converted to other forms of energy depending upon the decomposition process or body burning process.
In every human activity, energy is continuously released by the body into the atmosphere. For example, in breathing also, energy is released from the body continuously. So, I find it difficult to believe that all kinetic energy produced by the body, stays inside the body after death and nothing is released into the atmosphere. Although this is a possibility but I find the answers written in Hinduism religious scriptures more convincing since it gives more detailed explanations.
According to Hinduism religious scriptures, when a person dies, some invisible form of energy is released from the body immediately. This energy is called as soul (atma).

So what happens with this released energy (soul?)
There are three possibilities depending upon the karma of the soul.
1) If the soul has done enough good karma and are eligible for liberation and salvation (Moksha), then this soul travels across the universe and unites with the supreme soul i.e. Energy release by supreme god in form of soul returns back to him.
Note that soul is called as ‘atma’ is Sanskrit and supreme soul is called as parmatma in Sanskrit. Another meaning of ‘parmatma’ is supreme god
2) If the karma of the soul is not good enough for salvation (Moksha), then this soul travels across the universe in search of a new body. This soul will get the new body according to the karma done by his previous body. I.e. if the soul has done very good deeds like donation, charity, helping poor’s etc then he will be born in the womb of the mother belonging to the rich and well-honored respected family and if the soul has done bad deeds like cheating, murder, rape etc then he will be born in an illiterate , poor and low-caste family.
3) According to lord Krishna, at the time of death, person realizes the ultimate truth. So, whatever the person sees at the time just before his death, he will become the same in his next life. So, if the person thinks about god, then he will either become demi-god or will unite with the supreme god. If he thinks of eating delicious tasty meat, then he will be born as a carnivorous animal. If he thinks of some alien type creature, then he will be born in a planet where such alien creature exists and so on.




The Scientific Theory of Evolution - Charles Darwin Theory
Charles Darwin is famous worldwide for his evolutionary theory. According to his theory, one species evolved into another. Thus one body changes into another. We evolved from the animals, our closet relatives in the animal kingdom are the monkeys.
The Vedic Theory of Evolution
The Vedic scriptures also state an evolutionary process, but the definition is different from that of Charles Darwin. There are 8.4 million different species of living beings in the whole of creation as follows:
900,000 species of aquatic.
2,000,000 species of plants.
1,100,000 species of insects.
1,000,000 species of birds.
3,000,000 species of beasts.
400,000 species of human beings



All these species were created by God and like Charles Darwin’s theory; we also evolved from the animals but not by changing the same body, but by transmigration of the soul from one body to another.
Changing bodies from birth to death, and the evolution of 8,400,000 species.
Transmigration of The Soul From One Body To The Next
Every living being is a soul (including plants and animals) covered in a material body. The soul takes one body then quits it to take another and so on. Going through all the various species in the plant and animal kingdom (8 million) and then finally taking a human body. The human body is the highest and most elevated of all bodies.
Once we attain the human body, if we misuse or fail to utilize the higher consciousness then we again fall down in the plant and animal kingdom. Then again we have to go through the evolutionary process, moving from one body to the next in the plant and animal kingdom for 8 million births before we get another human birth.
“As the embodied soul continuously passes, in the body from childhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.” Lord Krishna (Bg. 2.13)
“As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.” Lord Krishna (Bg. 2.22)

This is just a small explanation.You can find whole detailed explanation about life after death, according to Vedas, in the following article.

What Happens To Us After Death

After reading Vedas, even the greatest scientist like Albert Einstein didn’t deny this possibility and applauded bhagvad gita for its value-based teaching.
If you are still not convinced then go through the following articles too:



Living under the illsuon of lord vishnu-part 1

Living under the illsuon of lord vishnu-part 2



Following are the versus from bhagavad gita on soul and reincarnation
Chapter 2, verse 13
dehino'smin yatha deha kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati

Translation
Just as in the physical body of the embodied being is the process of childhood, youth, old age; similarly in the transmigration from one body to another the wise are never deluded.

Chapter 2, verse 17
avinasi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam tatam
vinasam avyayasasya na kascit kartum arhati

Translation
But know that by whom the entire physical body is pervaded is indestructible. No one is able to cause the destruction of the imperishable soul.

Chapter 2, verse 20
na jayate mriyate va kadacin nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah
ajo nityah sasvato yam purano na hanyate hanyamane

Translation
The soul never takes birth and never dies at any time nor does it come into being again when the body is created. The soul is birthless, eternal, imperishable and timeless and is never terminated when the body is terminated.


Chapter 2, verse 22
vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naro'parani
tatha sarirani vihaya jirnany anyani samyati navani dehi

Translation
As a person gives up old and worn out garments and accepts new apparel, similarly the embodied soul giving up old and worn out bodies verily accepts new bodies.

Chapter 2, verse 24
acchedyo'yam adahyo'yam akledya'sosya eva ca
nityah sarva-gatah sthanur acalo'yam sanatanah

Translation
The soul is indestructible, the soul is incombustible, insoluble and unwitherable. The soul is eternal, all pervasive, unmodifiable, immovable and primordial.

Chapter 2, verse 27
jatasya hi dhruvo mrtyur dhruvam janma mrtasya ca
tasmad apariharye'rthe na tvam socitum arhasi

Translation
For one who has taken birth, death is certain and for one who has died, birth is certain. Therefore in an inevitable situation understanding should prevail.

In this last verse the cycle of life is clearly revealed. From birth comes death and from death comes birth. Just like in the spring new buds grow which blossom into flowers and leaves in summer and in autumn change to red, yellow and orange in fall and blow away and become dormant in winter to begin the process all over again in the following year. In the a similar way the soul enters new bodies for its seasons of infancy, youth, maturity and old age and at the end of its cycle of life is born again accepting a new body for another season. This is an inevitable process in the material existence and is the automatic process that governs the birth and death. All beings existing in the material manifestation completely follow this reality.


Below are some of the quotes about soul and reincarnation from major Hinduism religious scriptures:

Bhagavad-gita (7.5) describes that above these eight material elements (air, water, fire etc) is soul which is superior to them:
"Besides these [eight], O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this material, inferior nature."

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death. It has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. It is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. It is not slain when the body is slain. As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones. The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind. This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting; present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same. It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body."- Bhagavad-gita (2.20-25)

When one dies in the mode of goodness, he attains to the pure, higher planets of the great sages. When one dies in the mode of passion, he takes birth among those engaged in fruitive activities; and when one dies in the mode of ignorance; he takes birth in the animal kingdom. Bhagavad-gita (14.14, 15)

The living entity in the material world carries his different conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take another. The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain type of ear, eye, tongue, nose, and sense of touch, which are grouped about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. Bhagavad-Gita (15.8-9)

As the embodied soul continuously passes in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bhagavad-Gita. 2.13)

The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body, nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can see all this. (Bhagavad-Gita. 15.10)

For example, the Mundaka Upanishad (3.1.9) explains that the living being is the soul, and that: “The soul is atomic in size and can be perceived by perfect intelligence. This atomic soul is situated within the heart, and spreads its influence all over the body of the embodied living entities. When the soul is purified from the contamination of the five kinds of material air, its spiritual influence is exhibited.”
The Chandogya Upanishad (6.11.3) also states that although the body withers and dies when the self or soul leaves it, the living self does not die.
Further enlightenment is given in theSrimad-Bhagavatam (7.2.22) wherein it explains that the spirit soul has no death and is eternal and inexhaustible. He is completely different from the material body, but because of being misled by misuse of his slight independence, he is obliged to accept subtle and gross bodies created by the material energy and thus be subjected to so-called material happiness and distress.
So, the body dwindles and dies but the soul does not die: it simply changes bodies. Therefore, the body is like a shirt or coat that we wear for some time, and when it is worn out, we change it for a new one.

Chandogya Upanishad (8.1.1), mentions that knowledge of the self within is what should be sought and understood by all. Realizing one’s spiritual identity solves the problems and mysteries of life.

Do not burn him entirely, Agni, or engulf him in your flames. Do not consume his skin or his flesh. When you have cooked him perfectly, only then send him forth to the fathers (Rig Veda 10.16. 1) 2~
This hymn expresses the desire and hope that, after the purification through fire, Agni, the dead person receives his body back, made perfect, so as to enjoy the life of the fathers.

Other hymns speak to the dead man, of the final dispersal of his old body:
May your eye go to the sun, your life's breath to the wind? Go to the sky or to earth, as is your nature; or go to the waters, if that is your fate. Take root in the plants with your limbs (Rig Veda 10. 16.3).22

Another hymn addresses the dead:
Creep away to this broad, vast earth, the mother that is kind and gentle.
And to the earth:
Open up, earth; do not crush him. Be easy for him to enter and to burrow. . Earth, wrap him up as a mother wraps a son in the edge of her skirt (Rig Veda 10.18.10-l l) 23


Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. "A man becomes good by good works, evil by evil' (3. 2.13) and on death, like a caterpillar -or a grass leech - proceeding from one leaf to another, the soul (atman), having shaken off the body and freed itself from ignorance, presumably empirical life, makes a beginning on another body.
As a goldsmith forms newer and fairer form from a rough nugget, so the soul fashions for itself another newer, fairer form (4. 4.4), whether it be of the Fathers, or the Gandharvas, or the gods, or Prajapati, or Brahman, or other living beings; just as man acts, just as he behaves, so will he be born. He who does well will be born good, he who does evil will be born evil: he becomes holy by holy deeds, evil by evil (Brahadaranyaka Upanishad 4. 4.2-6; 4. 3 33).
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:28 AM
Kepler
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Now this big bang theory explains how the current state of the universe came into existence but if you ask how the initial universe (hot and dense) came into existence. Then some scientists say “It simply existed”. simply existed? Are you joking?

The origin of the initial universe is not known. There is plenty of speculation, but no definitive answers. As you pointed out in your description of the big bang (which you seem to have copied directly from the wiki page), the big bang describes the evolution of the universe only just after time = 0. It does not describe what happened before that.


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Science itself says that “Energy can neither be created nor destroyed”. (Newton law). Then how this initial universe with lot of energy was created simply?

Who said it was “created simply”? You went from “simply existed” to “created simply”. These do not mean the same thing.



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Why don’t the scientists prove the big bang theory by artificially creating an environment where the environment is initially hot and dense and then expand this environment to see if something like the present universe is created i.e: something like earth, sun, moon, and galaxy is created.
Well, it would be pretty difficult to compress all of the matter and energy of the universe into a point smaller than the period at the end of this sentence to conduct such an experiment.



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Science is based on proof. Now when there is no solid proof behind big bang theory, then how should it be considered as the ultimate truth? Why shouldn’t big bang theory be termed as big bang mythology?
Firstly, no one is claiming that the big bang model is “ultimate truth”. No scientific theory is ever ultimate truth. Science is, at best, an approximation of reality. Secondly, there is plenty of evidence in favor of the big bang model (if only you had read a little further down the page you copied from).



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In short, I didn’t find any satisfactory explanation from science on creation of this universe. Now let us see what the Hinduism religious scriptures say about the creation of this universe. Initially, there was nothing except the creator.

So, you reject the idea that the universe “simply existed”, but you accept the idea that a supreme creator “simply existed”? I’ll throw your own quote right back at you: The supreme creator simply existed? Are you joking?



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Many reject the existence of The Creator, believing only in science and data gathered and confirmed by its canonical methods. But, on any given day, the same person might find himself in love, deep remorse or sadness. And while contriving the most complex and personal thoughts, he does not, at the time, suppose that his feelings are a random product of firing neurons.

A random process of firing neurons? Who would believe such a thing? According to the modern scientific perspective, our brains are the product of the nonrandom process of evolution, and our thoughts are shaped by a combination of genetics and environmental factors. A modern materialist would never claim that feelings were a “random product of firing neurons.”



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How can he then believe that the only distinction between a corpse and a living person is the absence of organ functionality? That we need only revive his physical body to restore him to normality? If this is the case then all humans died by heart attack cane be made alive again, by making their heart organ start functioning again?

Well sure, if in the process of dying there was not substantial damage done to the person (though there often is, hence the person dying) and the time for decomposition to set in has not been too long. People are revived sometimes, fortunately.



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Now let us see what science says about death? According to science, when the person dies, kinetic energy inside the body is converted into potential energy and stays with the body. This energy is then converted to other forms of energy depending upon the decomposition process or body burning process. In every human activity, energy is continuously released by the body into the atmosphere. For example, in breathing also, energy is released from the body continuously. So, I find it difficult to believe that all kinetic energy produced by the body, stays inside the body after death and nothing is released into the atmosphere.

Can you provide a link supporting your assertion that science claims “kinetic energy inside the body is converted into potential energy that stays with the body”? That doesn’t make any sense. Your body is constantly exchanging energy with its environment – both during life and after death.



Thanks for the post, sarinmall. I've enjoyed reading it and thinking about it.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:01 AM
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Hi Sanrimall! Very interesting article.

I too would prefer to believe in a Creator, who created what started the big bang. However "Science" does not state that the Big Bang Theory is a Fact. It states that it is a Theory, and that means it is the most plausible conslusion based on principles, calculations, and experiments.

Though it is probably not possible to recreate the Big Bang, experiments about heat and expansion have been conducted, so our scientists just put these principles together.

The thing about Science is that it is based on evidences which as much as possible have to be tangible, sensed by the 5 senses. So even if a Scientist believes in God, he would not have the authority to claim what is "true" and not without showing evidence.

For example, I can say Plato existed as there are books and things that can prove that existence. But what if the books are somebody elses' work, perhaps writing about a writer? What if somebody 1000 years from now finds a preserved book of Twilight, would they assume Edward Cullen was real too?

So nobody was there to witness the Big Bang, and we haven't been able to witness any either (we might die if we do lol) so all we have are calculations based on our logic, and collected principles.

But although I am a Theist I think it is also fair to say, nobody was physically around to witness the Creation process... That is nobody that now still lives to remember (some might say that the consciousness that was there at the creation is still the same consciousness now in all of us, but you know what I mean. I wasn't there and neither were any of my friends, I did not "see" it in a conscious level as I see now).

So both sides, so far, still seem to be as plausible and not plausible... I just decided to choose one...
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:42 AM
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hello sarinmall,

Nice effort ...... i liked your article .... you are quite a thinker .

OM NAMAHA SHIVAYA
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:21 PM
sarinmall
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The origin of the initial universe is not known. There is plenty of speculation, but no definitive answers. As you pointed out in your description of the big bang (which you seem to have copied directly from the wiki page), the big bang describes the evolution of the universe only just after time = 0. It does not describe what happened before that.

Ans) Right ..Science is just validating what is mentioned in the vedas thousands of years ago..


Who said it was “created simply”? You went from “simply existed” to “created simply”. These do not mean the same thing.


Ans) Sorry for my English but i meant to say the same thing..Nothing exists simply..It is either created or transformed from one form to other


Well, it would be pretty difficult to compress all of the matter and energy of the universe into a point smaller than the period at the end of this sentence to conduct such an experiment.


Ans)That's is what i was trying to say. Science has it's own limitations, So we shouldn't believe in such theories unless some solid proof is laid on..


Firstly, no one is claiming that the big bang model is “ultimate truth”. No scientific theory is ever ultimate truth. Science is, at best, an approximation of reality. Secondly, there is plenty of evidence in favor of the big bang model (if only you had read a little further down the page you copied from).

Ans) We can say that Science is an approximation of reality but in reality, Science is just validating and proving what has been said in the vedas long before..Most of the discoveries in science has been mentioned in vedas and related scriptures million of years ago..


So, you reject the idea that the universe “simply existed”, but you accept the idea that a supreme creator “simply existed”? I’ll throw your own quote right back at you: The supreme creator simply existed? Are you joking?

Ans) Yup because this is what is said in the vedas..Note that the vedas has been proven as the olden well-written manuscript of the world with more than 10,000 year ago..Many theories mentioned in vedas has been proven true and the remaining not proven nor denied. In short, nothing mention in vedas has been proven false. You can also search on net what vedas is and how much it is appreciated by scientist and philosophers globally..Some of the quotes are in the below website
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Hindu_Cosmology.htm
Science said that there was no civilization ten thousands year ago but with the theories of the vedas, dwaraka etc, it has been proven human civilization existed at least 20,000 year ago..


A random process of firing neurons? Who would believe such a thing? According to the modern scientific perspective, our brains are the product of the nonrandom process of evolution, and our thoughts are shaped by a combination of genetics and environmental factors. A modern materialist would never claim that feelings were a “random product of firing neurons.”

Ans) Ok check it out..how the brain works according to science...
http://www.tbiguide.com/howbrainworks.html

Well sure, if in the process of dying there was not substantial damage done to the person (though there often is, hence the person dying) and the time for decomposition to set in has not been too long. People are revived sometimes, fortunately.

Ans) I didn't find anything to comment here..

Can you provide a link supporting your assertion that science claims “kinetic energy inside the body is converted into potential energy that stays with the body”? That doesn’t make any sense. Your body is constantly exchanging energy with its environment – both during life and after death.

Ans) I read it in science and from my science teacher. .If something is not moving then there is no kinetic energy..Potential energy is always waiting to be converted to other forms of energy.So, After death, potential energy is converted to other forms of energy depending upon the decomposition process(chrstanity,islam) or the burning process (Hinduism,. Jainism, Sikhism etc)...

Thanks for the post, sarinmall. I've enjoyed reading it and thinking about it.

Please read my comments inline..Thanks to you too for your kind and long comments..
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Old 26-05-2012, 11:27 AM
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Ans)That's is what i was trying to say. Science has it's own limitations, So we shouldn't believe in such theories unless some solid proof is laid on..
If you would have read a few sentences further, you would have seen my link to the wiki page outlining some of the evidence for the Big Bang.

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Ans) Ok check it out..how the brain works according to science...
http://www.tbiguide.com/howbrainworks.html
There is no mention of "random firing of neurons" in that article.
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