Our Study Suggests Objective Reality Doesn't Exist

https://www.realclearscience.com/art..._ 111182.html

"Despite using state-of-the-art quantum technology, it took weeks to collect sufficient data from just six photons to generate enough statistics. But eventually, we succeeded in showing that quantum mechanics might indeed be incompatible with the assumption of objective facts – we violated the inequality."

Interesting...

[MikeS80]

There are 2 objective realities, the first objective reality is obvious, this reality is the physical universe and all the objects in it. The second objective reality is not so obvious and this reality is not so obvious because in order for you to percieve this reality, you have to be free from duality, meaning free from all emotions, feelings and beliefs.

[Truth307]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

There are 2 objective realities, the first objective reality is obvious, this reality is the physical universe and all the objects in it. The second objective reality is not so obvious and this reality is not so obvious because in order for you to percieve this reality, you have to be free from duality, meaning free from all emotions, feelings and beliefs.

No you don’t, love created the seen universe. If you want to experience true reality, then experience love, see truth in everyone everything everywhere.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Truth307

No you don’t, love created the seen universe. If you want to experience true reality, then experience love, see truth in everyone everything everywhere.

What do you mean by love and by the seen reality (all realities are seen)? Unconditional Love (unconditional love is non-duality) created both objective realities. Conditional love on the other hand creates the subjective reality that depends on a person's fears, emotions, feelings and beliefs. Conditional love creates duality and is based on, I love/like this or that or I hate/dislike this or that. Reality is either based on non-duality/unconditional love or duality/conditional love.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Truth307

No you don’t, love created the seen universe. If you want to experience true reality, then experience love, see truth in everyone everything everywhere.

I understand this now.

Originally Posted by MikeS80

There are 2 objective realities, the first objective reality is obvious, this reality is the physical universe and all the objects in it. The second objective reality is not so obvious and this reality is not so obvious because in order for you to percieve this reality, you have to be free from duality, meaning free from all emotions, feelings and beliefs.

You keep stating that but it's not the technical view represented by non-duality. There are many objects and only one subject. Stripping away objective reality does not reveal another objective reality but the One Subject. That Subject cannot be named or described. It just is and with no limit in form, space and time. Formless. Boundless. Timeless. Indescribable. Vast. Not an object. Objects are limited by form, space and time. That's non-duality vs. duality.

Furthermore it's impossible for the physical body-mind to be free from emotions, feelings and beliefs. Enlightenment is realizing the true Self is not that but the source (cause) of all those objects (effects), and a reorientation from identification with the small self (body-mind) to the true Self (awareness). Then emotions, feelings, beliefs, whatever experience hold no sorrow for the true Self.

Objectivity is duality. Objective reality is duality. Stripping away one objective reality for another objective reality is replacing one duality with another duality.

EDIT: For a better understanding this is the first of three videos (Realizing Non-Duality parts 1, 2 & 3) by Swami Sarvapriyananda. He's an Advaita Vedantist and they are strict non-dualists. They are in a playlist and will roll over to the next. It'll take 3.5 hours to get through all three.

https://youtu.be/o-RFz56gb9E?list=PL...yrF2rGcUqIb4OF

Swami Sarvapriyananda is now at Vedanta Society of New York and there a lots of his videos here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/vedantany1894/videos

Good accompaniments for his talks are "The Ten Principal Upanishads" and the "Bhagavad Gita". He references them a lot, if not in these talks then in many others.

Lastly this is from the Vedanta Society of California and lays out the four paths to realization & enlightenment.

https://vedanta.org/yoga-spiritual-practice/

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

You keep stating that but it's not the technical view represented by non-duality. There are many objects and only one subject. Stripping away objective reality does not reveal another objective reality but the One Subject. That Subject cannot be named or described. It just is and with no limit in form, space and time. Formless. Boundless. Timeless. Indescribable. Vast. Not an object. Objects are limited by form, space and time. That's non-duality vs. duality.

Furthermore it's impossible for the physical body-mind to be free from emotions, feelings and beliefs. Enlightenment is realizing the true Self is not that but the source (cause) of all those objects (effects), and a reorientation from identification with the small self (body-mind) to the true Self (awareness). Then emotions, feelings, beliefs, whatever experience hold no sorrow for the true Self.

Objectivity is duality. Objective reality is duality. Stripping away one objective reality for another objective reality is replacing one duality with another duality.

EDIT: For a better understanding this is the first of three videos (Realizing Non-Duality parts 1, 2 & 3) by Swami Sarvapriyananda. He's an Advaita Vedantist and they are strict non-dualists. They are in a playlist and will roll over to the next. It'll take 3.5 hours to get through all three.

https://youtu.be/o-RFz56gb9E?list=PL...yrF2rGcUqIb4OF

Swami Sarvapriyananda is now at Vedanta Society of New York and there a lots of his videos here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/vedantany1894/videos

Good accompaniments for his talks are "The Ten Principal Upanishads" and the "Bhagavad Gita". He references them a lot, if not in these talks then in many others.

Lastly this is from the Vedanta Society of California and lays out the four paths to realization & enlightenment.


https://vedanta.org/yoga-spiritual-practice/

What does duality and non-duality mean to you? To me, duality means there is an opposite and the root cause of duality is conditional love-I either love/like this or that or I hate/dislike this or that. Sure there is duality in nature like, male and female but duality in nature is not limiting people spiritually, except for those who are obsessed/addicted to sex. Mental duality is what is limiting people spiritually.

I do not understand why you keep calling the not so obvious objective reality an object when it is a perception, not an object. Will it help if I used the term ultimate or absolute reality, instead of not so obvious objective reality? Objective has nothing whatsoever to do with objects. Here is the definition of objective in the dictionary:

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/objective

Originally Posted by MikeS80

What does duality and non-duality mean to you? To me, duality means there is an opposite and the root cause of duality is conditional love-I either love/like this or that or I hate/dislike this or that. Sure there is duality in nature like, male and female but duality in nature is not limiting people spiritually, except for those who are obsessed/addicted to sex. Mental duality is what is limiting people spiritually.

I do not understand why you keep calling the not so obvious objective reality an object when it is a perception, not an object. Will it help if I used the term ultimate or absolute reality, instead of not so obvious objective reality? Objective has nothing whatsoever to do with objects. Here is the definition of objective in the dictionary:

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/objective

Duality - Restricted in form, space or time.

Examples: Universe, galaxy, solar system, star, planet, continent, ocean, animal, human, thought, emotion, feeling. All objects.

Non-duality - Not restricted in form, space or time.

Example: Awareness, Source, Unity, Divine, God. One subject.

Non-duality is cause and duality is effect.

I'm using the concepts and definitions developed over thousands of years of spiritual exploration and study in India, culminating in The Ten Principal Upanishads. A similar concept is being explored by the cutting edge of science. That's the point of the article in my original post. Quantum Mechanics. The "Hard Problem" of consciousness.

In the context being discussed in relation to reality this is the correct definition for "objective".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

2a: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind
objective reality

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Duality - Restricted in form, space or time.

Examples: Universe, galaxy, solar system, star, planet, continent, ocean, animal, human, thought, emotion, feeling. All objects.

Non-duality - Not restricted in form, space or time.

Example: Awareness, Source, Unity, Divine, God. One subject.

Non-duality is cause and duality is effect.

I'm using the concepts and definitions developed over thousands of years of spiritual exploration and study in India, culminating in The Ten Principal Upanishads. A similar concept is being explored by the cutting edge of science. That's the point of the article in my original post. Quantum Mechanics. The "Hard Problem" of consciousness.

In the context being discussed in relation to reality this is the correct definition for "objective".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

2a: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind
objective reality

For all we know, we could already be inside of, thus a part of consciousness, awareness, Source, Unity, Divine, God ect and what we perceive is what we get. Maybe, just maybe the not so obvious objective reality or Brahman or heaven is not a place we go to after we die, Brahman/heaven is in the right here in now in the present moment. Just because you do not perceive something, does not mean it is not there. Subjective reality that is based on mental duality thoughts (from the ego), fear, emotions, beliefs, feelings etc etc is the 'matrix', not the phyiscal universe.

What is time--the hour, the day, the week, the year? Time is man made, time is the measurement/movement of the earth rotating, nothing more, nothing less. Thus, time is an illusion. What are the opposites or dual to the examples of duality you gave?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dual

Definition of dual
1of grammatical number : denoting reference to two
a dual pronoun
2a: consisting of two parts or elements or having two like parts : DOUBLE
families with dual incomes
held dual citizenship in France and the U.S.
a dual function
a dual exhaust system
b: having a double character or nature

I do not have a problem with the definition of objective you quoted, that definition fits both the obvious objective reality and the not so obvious objective reality.

2a: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind

[freddyfresh]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

You keep stating that but it's not the technical view represented by non-duality. There are many objects and only one subject. Stripping away objective reality does not reveal another objective reality but the One Subject. That Subject cannot be named or described. It just is and with no limit in form, space and time. Formless. Boundless. Timeless. Indescribable. Vast. Not an object. Objects are limited by form, space and time. That's non-duality vs. duality.

Furthermore it's impossible for the physical body-mind to be free from emotions, feelings and beliefs. Enlightenment is realizing the true Self is not that but the source (cause) of all those objects (effects), and a reorientation from identification with the small self (body-mind) to the true Self (awareness). Then emotions, feelings, beliefs, whatever experience hold no sorrow for the true Self.

Objectivity is duality. Objective reality is duality. Stripping away one objective reality for another objective reality is replacing one duality with another duality.

EDIT: For a better understanding this is the first of three videos (Realizing Non-Duality parts 1, 2 & 3) by Swami Sarvapriyananda. He's an Advaita Vedantist and they are strict non-dualists. They are in a playlist and will roll over to the next. It'll take 3.5 hours to get through all three.

https://youtu.be/o-RFz56gb9E?list=PL...yrF2rGcUqIb4OF

Swami Sarvapriyananda is now at Vedanta Society of New York and there a lots of his videos here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/vedantany1894/videos

Good accompaniments for his talks are "The Ten Principal Upanishads" and the "Bhagavad Gita". He references them a lot, if not in these talks then in many others.

Lastly this is from the Vedanta Society of California and lays out the four paths to realization & enlightenment.

https://vedanta.org/yoga-spiritual-practice/

I do agree very strongly that enjoying the "moment present" is basically the secret of everything. Once you can attain this state (and I'm not a meditator but a seeker of knowledge) you begin to see wonder and beauty in EVERYTHING. Either this is happening to me and I'm turning all emotional, or else I'm just getting old and losing testosterone LOL.. amazing videos thanks for posting... The journey continues...