Robert Adams

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

in order for Adams to understand what he initially didn’t."-daz

Ya know. I have had Divine experiences (for exactly this yr, ha! 5 decades...damn, 6 decades, forgot 2 as
a little kid)...''Visitations'' ... from God, the Father, my Father.
THEN! uh-oh, here it comes ...
I started listening to Christian stuff...and Shazam! I changed that to
'the Holy Spirit'....I understood my own exp differently because of what others exp'd.
It was the Holy Spirit and if I had never heard this word from someone else ....
I also would not have known to call it 'Grace'.
Those darn Christian teachers they deepened my understanding!!!

Exactly! I was so flabbergasted to speak when I first got the glimpses of truth, and it lasted a year.....In order to have a better understanding of Myself, i started reading Ramana, Robert Adams, Papaji, Gangaji etc...

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

***

The fragmented mind
Cannot find
The whole
The soul
The essence
Of divine presence
The fragrance
Of innocence
Or dance
In an ecstatic trance
Of joy
Without egoic ploy

a poem by ... who knows ... who cares ... as long as we choose to pair

***

The mind is always fragmented...it can't be TOTAL

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by muffin

Good afternoon Tara5

Body and Attachments, are two different things.

The body doesn't want for anything

So where does attachments lie.

Good morning Muffin....
Of course, the body and Attachments, are two different things.

The body is a form, ever-changing.
And attachment is ownership.

Got to careful on these boards, you'll be pulled up on the smallest of things

[Tara5]

Everything that you feel, hear, touch, smell and taste is maya.
Everything is maya, the grand illusion.
Most of us really do not understand what maya really is.
My trying to explain maya is maya.
Everything that your eyes behold,
that you believe is so important, is maya.
Everything that you hear,
Everything that you read,
Everything that you try to do to better yourself,
It’s all maya.

The water in the mirage, that is maya,
something that appears to be real,
but upon your investigation you find it’s not.
The whole world is like that.
The whole universe is like that.
Do not be fooled again.
Do not take anything seriously.
Turn within, do not react.

The turmoil, the chaos that appears to be in this world,
is not the truth. It is not Reality.
It is something that comes and goes.
This too shall pass.
But your center is God, Consciousness,
Absolute Reality, Brahman.
Those are all synonymous.
That is the Peace that exists.

Robert Adams

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Tara5

No, i don't....coz, you're speaking from your mind (intellect) and i'm speaking from my heart (trust/surrender)....we are speaking totally different languages...And, it's Okay....

.

You can’t come from the heart and surrender and conclude that you have nothing to do with the world or the body . You are mixing up the two aspects .

Your right in that we are speaking in different languages, I don't even think a translator will help .




x daz x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Ooooo, the (((dangers))).

Sorry, I will leave you to it, you are on a mission...it's not mine....so...
whatever floats your boat, daz...enjoy.
......................last thing:
"I have said many times that I am not disputing Adams realisation .
What I am disputing is what is reflected in what has been taught by other’s
in order for Adams to understand what he initially didn’t."-daz

Ya know. I have had Divine experiences (for exactly this yr, ha! 5 decades...damn, 6 decades, forgot 2 as
a little kid)...''Visitations'' ... from God, the Father, my Father.
THEN! uh-oh, here it comes ...
I started listening to Christian stuff...and Shazam! I changed that to
'the Holy Spirit'....I understood my own exp differently because of what others exp'd.
It was the Holy Spirit and if I had never heard this word from someone else ....
I also would not have known to call it 'Grace'.
Those darn Christian teachers they deepened my understanding!!!

Well If you want to call pointing out the differences between the realisation itself and conclusions made via the mind post-realisation a mission then so be it . You could however just see my questions for what they are .

If I was asking for answers that refer to apples and pears then I am sure there would be a more willingness to indulge in answering, but due to the nature of my question, one wouldn’t want to step on any of their masters toes, now would they .. lol .

It’s very common to see those that hold someone so dear to them will not see any fault in them .

It's another form of attachment . One needs to try and let that go .


x daz x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by muffin

Good afternoon Tara5

Body and Attachments, are two different things.

The body doesn't want for anything

So where does attachments lie.

Got to careful on these boards, you'll be pulled up on the smallest of things

Brushing one's teeth in the morning is an attachment, it is an action that derives through ego identification .

Watch out for those teachers that have white teeth and healthy gums

Then you will see what teachers are self identified with the body and the world and those that are not .


*shakes head sadly at the stupidity of it all*


x daz x

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

You can’t come from the heart and surrender and conclude that you have nothing to do with the world or the body . You are mixing up the two aspects .

Not the physical heart (organ), but the spiritual heart - hridaya(Center of being).

Your right in that we are speaking in different languages, I don't even think a translator will help .
x daz x

So, what's the solution, then?

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

It’s very common to see those that hold someone so dear to them will not see any fault in them .

It's another form of attachment . One needs to try and let that go .


x daz x

This is one of my favourite stories.

MIRACLE OF TRUST

In Tibet, there is a beautiful story about Marpa. It may not be factual, but it is tremendously significant.
I don’t care much about facts. My emphasis is on the significance and the truth, which is a totally different thing.
Marpa heard about a master. He was searching and he went to the master, he surrendered to the master, he trusted totally. And he asked the master, “What am I supposed to do now?”
The master said, “Once you have surrendered to me, you are not supposed to do anything. Just believe in me. My name is the only secret mantra for you. Whenever you are in difficulty, just remember my name and everything will be all right.”
Marpa touched his feet. And he tried it immediately — he was such a simple man. He walked on the river. Other disciples who had been with the master for years could not believe it — he was walking on the water!
They reported to the master that, “That man, you have not understood him. He is no ordinary man, he is walking on water!”
The master said, “What?”
They all ran towards the river and Marpa was walking on the water, singing songs, dancing. When he came to the shore, the master asked, “What is the secret?”
He said, “What is the secret? It is the same secret that you have given to me — your name. I remembered you. I said, `Master, allow me to walk on water’ and it happened.”
The master could not believe that his name…. He himself could not walk on water. But perhaps… he had never tried.
But it would be better to check a few more things before he tries. So he said to Marpa, “Can you jump from that hill?”
Marpa said, “Whatever you say.” He went up on the hill and jumped, and they were all standing in the valley waiting — just pieces of Marpa will be there! Even if they can find pieces of him, that will be enough — the hill was very high.
But Marpa came down smiling, sitting in a lotus posture. He came just under a tree in the valley, and sat down. They all surrounded him. They looked at him — not even a scratch.
The master said, “This is something. You used my name?”
He said, “It was your name.”
The master said, “This is enough, now I am going to try,” and the first step in the water, he sank.
Marpa could not believe it when he sank. His disciples jumped in and somehow pulled him out. He was half dead. The water was taken out of his lungs… somehow he survived.
And Marpa said, “What is the matter?”
The master said, “You just forgive me. I am no master, I am just a pretender.”
But Marpa said, “If you are a pretender, then how did your name work?”
The pretender said, “My name has not worked. It is your trust. It does not matter who you trust — it is the trust, the love, the totality of it. I don’t trust myself. I don’t trust anybody. I cheat everybody — how can I trust? And I am always afraid to be cheated by others, because I am cheating others. Trust is impossible for me. You are an innocent man, you trusted me. It is because of your trust that the miracles have happened.”
Whether the story is true or not does not matter.
One thing is certain, that your misery is caused by your mistakes and your bliss is caused by your trust, by your love.

Osho

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Brushing one's teeth in the morning is an attachment, it is an action that derives through ego identification .

Watch out for those teachers that have white teeth and healthy gums

Then you will see what teachers are self identified with the body and the world and those that are not .

Do you have white teeth and healthy gums?

*shakes head sadly at the stupidity of it all*
x daz x

Aww.....So Cute