Change Name of this sub forum?

[Thunder Bow]

Originally Posted by Neville

A doubtlessly cultivated point of view from frequenting other fine and not so fine establishments.

I and my associates who give of their own time have no desire to "control" others. Your remarks say far more about you than perhaps you may have intended..unless of course you actually believe what you are saying to be true... There are members here of quiet a long time that I feel sure hold a different view... control..you call it .....I am quiet frankly incredulous at the full extent and range of your apparent over the shoulder looking... Further I am somewhat askance at what terrible experience with other forums has led you to this quiet singular view that "most internet forms are made up of Some people who want to Control others" Regardless, This is not one of them .

Can you be more clear about your feelings towards me. Please list them here, I need to know more about this? Are you not trying to have control, with the above post??

[knightofalbion]

I hate to see injustice.

Neville received two requests, for a broader Indigenous Faiths sub-forum and then a restoration of the Native American sub-forum. Both of which he granted - and nobody even bothered to say 'thank you' - giving both the same forum status as global religions like Christianity, Buddhism and Islam. So I don't see any of our indigenous brothers and sisters have any cause for complaint.

[Thunder Bow]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

I hate to see injustice.

Neville received two requests, for a broader Indigenous Faiths sub-forum and then a restoration of the Native American sub-forum. Both of which he granted - and nobody even bothered to say 'thank you' - giving both the same forum status as global religions like Christianity, Buddhism and Islam. So I don't see any of our indigenous brothers and sisters have any cause for complaint.

"North American Indigenous Spirituality" heading is OK with me. All the other stuff needed not to be dragged into this. All this argument, was really was not needed.This was more of a tense battle over control of a forum heading rather than, fair representation.

Far as I am concerned all this is all settled. I am happy to see a birth of a new sub forum. Let us leave out the personal politics.

[skygazer]

ditto as per knightofalbion.

I support the changes. Thank you, Neville

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Thunder Bow

"North American Indigenous Spirituality" heading is OK with me. All the other stuff needed not to be dragged into this. All this argument, was really was not needed.This was more of a tense battle over control of a forum heading rather than, fair representation.

Far as I am concerned all this is all settled. I am happy to see a birth of a new sub forum. Let us leave out the personal politics.

That might be just because nothing is 'only' anything, and all things are part of wider and bigger things, so if we think this is only about a name change, then we have a narrow view. I mean consider is Christianity was replaced with "The religions of Western Cultures"... One might assume such a move is unfair, but only because of the dominance of Christianity... on the other hand, we can exclude minority religions without blinking... and that's what is meant by privilege. It's bigger than the names here because the attitude to the name here is like a blindness that pervades the dominant culture and this 'blind view' plays out in much bigger ways throughout society and the world. Face is, no one gives a rats about the insignificant issue of a little internet forum's categories; the name merely represents the 'blind attitude' of the dominant culture, who are absolutely unconscious to their 'normal' selves.

[Tobi]

Originally Posted by Gem

There's two basic problems that are faced by the dominant, and therefore, privileged, culture. The first is that they aren't intentionally inconsiderate and insensitive, they are unconscious of it and do it unwittingly. It's made invisible to them because they are the 'norm' and it's 'others' who are different. The second problem is, they are willingly unwitting, which means they don't want to admit to themselves that they play a part in the oppression, nor do they have any incentive face it. There's a catch22 in that which makes it a difficult dilemma.

Gem, no harm meant but that's just too complicated for Souls like me.

[SeaZen]

How about naming this sub forum "indigenous spirituality of the america's", a phrase that encompasses both unity and diversity. This way it covers both north and south america, the eagle and the condor who BTW are coming together in a cooperative manner via tribal councils.

What a great way to be all inclusive yet celebrate and promote that unity and diversity!

[Adrienne]

I think the time limit has expired on name change ideas .... this could go on forever, lol ......

[Adrienne]

SeaZen, between the two forums .....I think everyone should be covered


North American Indigenous Spirituality

Discussions about the culture, spiritual practices and beliefs of Indigenous and Native North Americans.
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Faiths of Indigenous Peoples

A sub forum for discussing the spiritual and cultural values of other indigenous and native populations from across the globe.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Tobi

Gem, no harm meant but that's just too complicated for Souls like me.

That's probably a way choosing to refuse to acknowledge unconscious complicity in oppression due to the advantages of the privileged culture. Of course harm isn't meant, it's merely the consequence of unawareness, and even when awareness is raised, it's said to be too complex. It is actually complex, especially for the privileged, because oppression is not the conceptual idea of the privileged mind; it's the lived experience of minorities who are 'not white'.