About forgiving

[wanchain]

Originally Posted by Gemcrusader

sure but in reality u need more then ur soul to succeed in what u want.

I can't think of anything else you would need. The universe would never present to you what you cannot handle at that moment. If you are faced with a challenge, know that it means you have the ability to transcend it.

Thanks for saying Linen

Originally Posted by A human Being

Yeah, very good post Ivy

I think maybe we seek forgiveness for perceived wrongs committed against us, because our sense of self feels diminished in some way. Whereas if you've realised yourself as immortal, formless spirit, lacking in nothing, then maybe you just don't take it personally and you can let it go?

If you realise yourself as an immortal, formless spirit, lacking in nothing, then perhaps you would look to the human being for learning.

From a human perspective, if somebody tries to kill you, it would be daft not to take it personally... because you are a person. To understand that person and why it is here, is something that having looked at its reflective opposition (the formless spirit), can be appreciated for the wonder that being able to take it personally offers.

[A human Being]

Originally Posted by Ivy

Thanks for saying Linen



If you realise yourself as an immortal, formless spirit, lacking in nothing, then perhaps you would look to the human being for learning.

From a human perspective, if somebody tries to kill you, it would be daft not to take it personally... because you are a person. To understand that person and why it is here, is something that having looked at its reflective opposition (the formless spirit), can be appreciated for the wonder that being able to take it personally offers.

Hmm, not entirely sure where you're coming from, tbh. Personally, I think recognising yourself as formless spirit helps you to put things into perspective, whereas thinking of yourself as a short-lived, fragile organism makes you neurotic and constantly fearful for your survival.

[Gemcrusader]

Originally Posted by wanchain

I can't think of anything else you would need. The universe would never present to you what you cannot handle at that moment. If you are faced with a challenge, know that it means you have the ability to transcend it.

mind/personsality. Im talkin bout relations more. Not to what happens to me. Sand in the motor makes less likely to succeed in what u want. U still young?

[wanchain]

Originally Posted by Gemcrusader

mind/personsality. Im talkin bout relations more. Not to what happens to me. Sand in the motor makes less likely to succeed in what u want. U still young?

You mean you cannot teach old dogs a new trick?

Originally Posted by Robinski78

There's an interesting chain of events that lead to an act of forgiveness, the second link being that of a judgmental nature...

No matter what is said and or done, it can go no further unless someone passes judgment and sentence on the said act...

Then, and only then, can an act of forgiveness become a reality or necessity...

So often, the one rebuffed by the initial statement or action, becomes the judge and jury, which is not really an idealistic position to be in, because it amounts to them being in a parallel position, to that of the initial perpetrator...

Once the knot has been tied, it takes a great deal of patience and understanding to find a satisfactory answer... Far be it from me to try and provide one here and now...

Good point.

Personally, I don't forgive since forgiveness implies judgment. Who are we to judge? I SIMPLY LET GO.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by A human Being

Yeah, very good post Ivy

I think maybe we seek forgiveness for perceived wrongs committed against us, because our sense of self feels diminished in some way. Whereas if you've realised yourself as immortal, formless spirit, lacking in nothing, then maybe you just don't take it personally and you can let it go?

When I was a wee little girl, I didn't have the reasoning that I would have as an adult. When I was a little girl, I didn't know about immortality or being a formless spirit who was lacking nothing. I had nothing. I created who I am from that nothing.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by A human Being

I think recognising yourself as formless spirit helps you to put things into perspective, whereas thinking of yourself as a short-lived, fragile organism makes you neurotic and constantly fearful for your survival.

WHAT!!!!!!

[Gemcrusader]

double post

[Gemcrusader]

Originally Posted by wanchain

You mean you cannot teach old dogs a new trick?

dont know what you mean with that. But just being is easy. If ur persuing certain goals/or trying get the best out of yourself you are way more volnourable to negative stuff. I can transcend, if the other is not ready or doesnt want to there can be no transcending.