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26-09-2014, 10:55 AM
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Location: Canada
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Originally Posted by Tobi
it is very possible to take what we need for balanced sustenance from vegan sources, without really having to 'kill' anything. Sure -we may eat the hazelnuts/plums/apples we need, but we don't kill or hurt the tree. With sunflower seeds etc, we can take some and leave some for the birds....We can take leaves from a cabbage as many as we can eat for one day, and let the cabbage eventually flower, and seed, and live its natural life-cycle.
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Beautiful insight, I hadn't ever thought of that, and I'm going to remember it for the next "People still kill vegetables" meat-consumer counter-argument I come across. :) |
26-09-2014, 12:45 PM
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Master
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Yes Tobi, a very enlightened viewpoint. Akin to the ideals of the First Blessing, which must be the ultimate goal of all earthly aspirants on the sacred Path.
I remember reading something very similar from Hilton Hotema many years ago. I was not ready for it at the time so dismissed it. But now ...
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If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.
http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
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26-09-2014, 10:53 PM
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Master
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austin TX USA
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Originally Posted by Tobi
it is very possible to take what we need for balanced sustenance from vegan sources, without really having to 'kill' anything. Sure -we may eat the hazelnuts/plums/apples we need, but we don't kill or hurt the tree.
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Do you realize that nuts are baby trees? If left alone, each one could become a tree. I don't see how wiping out dozens of baby trees is any less killing than cutting down one larger one.
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no sugar coating here, I tell it straight as I see it
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26-09-2014, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobi
But to get back to the original point of this thread, it is very possible to take what we need for balanced sustenance from vegan sources, without really having to 'kill' anything. Sure -we may eat the hazelnuts/plums/apples we need, but we don't kill or hurt the tree. With sunflower seeds etc, we can take some and leave some for the birds....We can take leaves from a cabbage as many as we can eat for one day, and let the cabbage eventually flower, and seed, and live its natural life-cycle. (Of course to eat that way you would have to plant a lot in the garden! But it does work because that's how I did my vegetable gardening.)
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And everybody has a garden like you where it is possible? How many work so you can have that luxury? If we killed enough humans so everyone could have a year around garden (which is not possible everywhere) then could we have this luxury? And how many do we have to kill actually for it to be possible to make that thought experiment? And how many beings does the (vegan) farm industry kill each year? Sure we could minimize it if we stopped producing food for the meat animals... I agree. We could even minimize it if we only had organic farms! But even those kill to produce. At least if they need to use fuel... and there is so much more. Just ask me if you wish more questions 
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