Are Demons really the bad ones?

I was interested to read TinyToad's account, touching on Enochain Magic.

The responses to "are demons evil" are subtly changing on this forum probably
as greater understanding of their several declared roles is achieved.

I can't add to the replies here except to agree with suspicions that anything casting doubt
on Constantine's Christian Bible was declared heretic and evil which is why Gnostics were stamped out
- and a good attempt made to stamp out alchemy. I suspect that "science" - the side of alchemy
that dealt with the physical and material was allowed to survive but the metaphysical banned.

(not that the alchemists took much notice - they codified everything metaphysical).


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[lauterb]

Dear Wiclas

Demons and Angels are not more than spirits! Good ones and bad ones, but just spirits!

What spirits are? Just people like us who dont have their body anymore.

Since you see good and bad people all the time, why they would change their behavior after life? They will continue be the same!

In case you want to study more about this subject you will find in The Spirit´s Book from Allan Kardec, you can freely download in the internet in pdf file.

Good study!

Daimon is the greek root word for demon. it means replete with knowledge, divine power, god.

[neil]

QUOTE=Gracey]Daimon is the greek root word for demon. it means replete with knowledge, divine power, god.[/quote]


demon..

1Origin Middle English: from medieval Latin, from Latin*daemon, from Greek*daimōn*‘deity, genius’; in*sense 1*also from Latin daemonium*‘lesser or evil spirit’, from Greek*daemonion, diminutive of*daimōn*.

Gracey..as above...I looked up definition and origin, & it goes further, defines it as, as "lesser or evil spirit"

[lauterb]

Dear All

From The Spirits Book from Allan Kardec, question 131... for the Greek
work daimôn from which it is derived, signifies genius, intelligence, and is applied indiscriminately to all incorporeal beings, whether good or bad.

Good study!

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Originally Posted by Wiclas

H:O:R:A:C:E

Does the name come from times, where everything, that was not a part of christianity, was seen evil?

could be.
i think you've suggested that the meaning of "demon" was a product of the
times in which the word was being used.
in general, i see the practice of labeling things as a procedure designed to
differentiate and separate things from one another.
it's not really sensible to seek to separate things from godliness, since all
things are created through source energy and nothing is separate from
that divinity. to segregate something from divinity, through the power
inherit in words... is a disservice to all involved.

[Amilius777]

Everyone and everything is essentially a Spirit

That includes all of us, animals, trees, plants, other beings, outer space beings, interdimensional entities, etc

Now depending on what level of existence that Spirit is vibrating on makes a difference.

Spirits who never incarnated and remain in higher dimensions with the Source are called "Angels" but most mainstream religion.

The thing is angel in the Bible referred to any spirit sent by God. In a boarder term an angel was any spirit in the after-life who was in a heavenly state.

This is why when an angel appeared to Paul in the Bible he recognized it as St. Peter.

Basically we all began as Angels. All sentient life began from eternity as perfect-divine pristine Angels; rays of God. We and God were perfectly one on God's level. We can call that the Godhead or God essence, Holy Spirit

When we became interested and curious about other realms that we and God help create, some of us descended into the third dimension and became human. Those who have forever remained with God are the angels in the Bible referred to as "the seraphim" "archangels". Their wings and the way they stand are all symbols of being of "higher dimensions" that of the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and so on. The seraphim are said to be "before the throne of the Lord" they are "the shining ones", they are like flames of one fire. This is because they are pure Spirits who've never experienced separation, descent, disconnection, or limitation outside of the God-force.

The thing is Angels have more free will than we do. I don't believe the whole humanity has more free will and more precious to God. That isn't true. Moses wrote how man was made in man's image. Remember Moses was a tribal prophet who had psychic visions and communications with God but he wasn't some sort of divine being who was perfect. He made mistakes, quite a lot in the Bible

The Angels possessing more free will and at a higher level they are strong with the divine creative spark. We are all creative because we are eternal beings a part of the God-force, Godhead, the Holy Spirit. But we are not the "Lord God" himself. The Source is perfection, love, happiness, freedom. The Great Spirit is absolute and beyond any comparison thus all things the Great Spirit does is perfect even when He must destroy things. Can I keep going with He without anyone getting triggered? I get tired of doing the He/She/It thing. Anyway- He works in unison with the Universal Laws he has created. One of those is Karma. Karma evenly and perfectly executes his Judgment without having any personal feelings in the matter/

That is why so many people get triggered or offended by the Bible- "the wrath of God". They don't know how to read it. That is the Law of Karma.

But you see the offsprings of God, the rays of his Being, the individual entities that are expressing themselves as extensions of Him are not always perfect because they are facets of something Bigger.

Some of those Angelic spirits desired to use their creative energies for themselves, for destructive purposes. You could say that they wanted to be God without remaining one with God. That is why demons are called "destructive spirits" in ancient pre-Biblical times. They are spirits who discovered that since they were offspring of the One Spirit, they possessed all the attributes of the One; even destruction since destruction is a natural part of creation.

Remember we are co-creators with the One Source Father-Mother God. In the beginning it wasn't a "trinity", it was a Many in One. But several of those began to drift and use that creative spark for selfish and destructive means. They couldn't remain in the Oneness of Being since they were disrupting the energy-flow of God. Michael and the angels that helped him forced Satan and those spirits out of the heavenly realm. Those demonic spirits are in their own self-created darkness, a lower vibrational level. They remain there for eternity unless they choose to come back around.

This is my personal opinion. The reason there are imperfections in several of God's mansions (created Universes) is because of the influence of the dark angels. The dark side influences our world. It is not a geographical thing of up and down. Angels and Demons are simultaneously right here with us, they are just at higher or lower levels of vibration and consciousness. If a door is opened to them through our choice, they may enter our lives to influence us. With angels you open the door through prayer and meditation. The same can be said for demons if you are asking for something for negative reasons.

The thing is demons retain all the qualities we all had from the beginning. We as humans who have become part of the third dimension, part of the human family, and human soul-groups have forgotten many of our abilities of true selves as Spiritual beings along the path. Demons hate us because we look weak, stupid, foolish; like toy things for them to abuse and control. They don't want to see us evolve because that helps with God's plan. The plan is to merge matter and spirit greater and greater together. That is why after Jesus' resurrection, he was able to cross dimensions, appear and reappar in a body, transcend time and space, partake of food, etc. He was multidimensional while assuming a physical form and relinquishing it when he wanted to. Perfect freedom and oneness in God even while in this dimension. God's plan, God's Word, God's bluepring- the Christ which is the trajectory for all souls who jump aboard this original intent for matter's existence.

But the demonic spirits don't want to see this happen. They never joined in as part of the plan, never liked it, and try to possess the living to descecrate the physical form that God created for us to love. They make us hate ourselves, hate our bodies, hate our limited time in matter.