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Originally Posted by Sangress
Please don't accuse me of being deceptive when I'm only stating some well known information gained from personal experience.
All members who know of or take part in the vampiric communities follow the definition I have stated, so I consider it to be the accurate one. If you want to tell me I'm "wrong" because other people define an entire state of being as a single act, then thats your choice.
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By trying to group it into the forms you mentioned is blatant misinformation. *sigh* Here's the link again,
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&cp=15&gs...w=1366&bih=677
How many descriptors come up as I describe them? There are many types of energy absorption, and I'm sure many "vamps" do various kinds just as a regular being would. I am not debating this. A vampric lifestyle might involve other forms of energy consumption, but vampirism itself is to feed directly off another being, because that's what it is.
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Yes everyone can drain and exchange energy to some degree, its a natural thing. But those who are not energetic vampires (meaning those who do not NEED it to maintain their health) opperate in a completely different way and take energy through altered and less effective means for completely different reasons to actual energetic vampires.
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Having an energy depletion, and needing a supply of energies doesn't make you a vampire because vampirism is literally the act of stealing energy from another person. Until they commit the act of vampirism, they cannot be called a vampire. I hate to sound like a broken record.
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Dragging someones energy from them and blending it with your own so as to controll it as your own for a time, effectively weakening the opponent is considered a form of psychic attack. This is not what energy vampires do.
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You don't need to pull in the other person's energy in order to manipulate it, but yes, that is a form of psychic attack. However, energy manipulation comes from messing with someone's chakra and meridian system.
A common thing is attachment to the solar plexus (power chakra) in order to influence a person's free will. It makes the victim easier to control. This is why a common symptom of energy parasite attachment is pain in the abdomen/lower back.
Weakening a person through energy consumption is not psychic attack in itself, it's just stealing. Although what vampires do is use methods of psychic attack in order to obtain the energy from the victim.
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Alright, even though you've dismissed my previous responses and will probably dispute this one, I'll answer for the sake of being open and honest.
A couple of other reasons why some energy vampires would need to take energy to maintain their health which you did not mention are that:
- They were not created to produce any energy of their own. They are predatory beings.
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Basic rule of the universe.
That reason in itself cannot make someone a vampire, or we'd all be vampires, Amiright?
Nobody can produce energy on their own. They have to obtain it from external sources.
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- Physical or chemical proccesses in their body (and for discarnates energetic functions) may be triggered only when external energy is taken in and metabolised. [quote]
I've read about this so called "metabolic process" in vampires, but no source I have found described how it works. This makes me assume people who say this have no real knowledge of spiritual energy, and I'll explain why:
From what I've discovered, certain energies are
only preferred by beings because it has to agree with the energy they already have within themselves.
Chakras actually work the same way within every being. Different energies effect chakras in different ways, and while a being might prefer certain energies to function, negative energies are corrosive and damaging to a beings energy system even though they can be energized by them. These negative energies alter their energy system, making them less stable energetically, emotionally and mentally.
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- There are "gaps" in their energetic vibration patterns which can only be bridged when an external energy is used. This stops their metaphysical form from dissapating at a rapid rate and rendering them into litteral non-existence
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Yep, I've felt these gaps and know why it is caused. The only thing that can cause this is energy blocks and imbalances. This instability is caused by consuming negative energies. You can literally see the gaps/blocks within them as dark, grey or black spots/specks within their energy system.
Here are some useful links:
http://www.pjentoft.com/f-68-darkaura-b.html
http://www.sacredhaven.co.uk/auracolours.htm
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- They are unable to connect to the source (and many energies connected to the source) because it is harmfull to them
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Yes, I've already stated this reason in my original post.
Somewhat curious and related... In a ghost article I read a few days ago, there is an interesting solution stated about taming an evil spirit called a Pontianak by driving a nail through the crown of their head to make them "normal" again.
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I'm not denying what you know, I am saying there is more that you dont know and things that most people also do not know which go against your theories.
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Hopefully after reading what I said above, you'll realize you're the one who seems to be ignorant about this issue.
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They may all be "leeches," but many take energy in ways that do not damage others and only do so with willing participants. You have not encountered this so I don't expect you to believe it....but keep it in mind for when you do encountere it, otherwise you might simply overlook it and dismiss it because it doesn't match your personal understanding of such things.
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I have heard about beings that feed off of positive energy, but they're supposedly very rare, so there isn't much known about them. But I haven't encountered any of that yet, and most people dealing with parasitic relationships will almost invariably tell you that they're a bad thing.
The only people I've seen defending the issue are either, 1. a Vampire (you, and SpiritCarrier - the only ones who have had a dispute with me in this thread) or 2. They don't actually understand it (you would also fall into this category)
The reason why it is damaging is because the attachments formed can make the vampire impose their own energies on the victim, and in order to obtain the energy in the first place, they'd have to provoke negative energies within the victim which is harmful. The lengths vampires may go to in order to control their victims are also detrimental to the victim.
Most types of sexual energy aren't particularly damaging, but in order to obtain more, the vampire would likely try to find ways of increasing your libido. This type of energy is a struggle to contain once aroused. Being filled with it will make you inevitably release it if it's not transmuted. A vampire can easily wear you out if they get greedy.
Chakras need energy to function. So no matter how the energy is taken, lack of energy will make you lose motivation and drive, make you depressed, groggy, and unemotional. Is that not damaging?
By now, even though you deny it, deception and misleading info conveyed by you should be more apparent to people who read this.
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Before now I was refering to places in astral, rather than jumping to the physical and hunting down people.
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I was referring to the RTZ, the spiritual plane neighboring the physical. So yes they can occupy physical space. How do you think houses are haunted?
The RTZ is where people are generally attacked during sleep paralysis.
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Most of the ones who do have no choice as they are usually earthbound with no other resources to keep them stable.
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Most psychics would agree that the most troublesome spirits ARE the the earthbound ones. And if they're not along the planes close to the Earth, they are in the underworld...which is an even more extreme form, since it is connected to greed, suffering, depression, anger, lust, fear, torture, you name it.
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Most vamps don't see a point in chasing down or harassing incarnates.
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Are you kidding me? If that was the case, it wouldn't be such a pervasive problem.
There is a point, because incarnates have spiritual bodies too. But to be honest, I can see why it is actually more ethical to steal from incarnates, since once their energy gets sapped, the astral bodies reflex is to return to their physical body and physical awareness. But I guess since they "don't see a point in chasing down or harassing incarnates.", you were trying to make them sound reasonable...when you steal directly from a dis-incarnate spirit, they have no physical body to go back to, so they slip into an unconscious realm. Very cruel...
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I don't dream. I step out of my body (OBE) and either stay in this place or go elsewhere (Astral projection.) I keep my body shielded while it rests, if anything does attempt to infiltrate my defences I just remove them from the area and stop them from following my "scent."
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Errr...Everyone naturally goes out-of-body when they dream. You're ignoring what I said.
If you are not lucid and aware, you cannot spot manipulations and thus cannot defend yourself properly. Without lucidity, you get caught up in the moment and have no directed thoughts. So when experiencing a scary dream, you'll believe it to be a real scenario rather than think "oh it's just a another negative being.." But after you wake from the dream, THEN you will realize what it was all about...but it is already too late to do something about it.
Someone can practice becoming lucid, but people only become lucid gradually toward the end of the dream (great opportunity to project).
To become lucid 100% the entire time you sleep is a very unreasonable thing to ask and is nearly impossible to accomplish every time you sleep. I have yet to hear of someone who is able to do it. I can consciously meditate into a lucid dream, but attempting it while feeling tired is very difficult.
Meditation by itself shouldn't be done while your feeling sleepy anyways.
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The ritural experience is uncommon. It has nothing to do with anything vampiric.
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It was to establish dedication for the purposes of vampirism. So yes it was. Again...more deception and misinformation I see
It was a manipulation tactic and all vampires have to manipulate in some way in order to gain energy, and in this case, by establishing more control over the victim.
No, I am not saying all vampires use rituals as a tool, but the the ones in my case happen to be involved in witchcraft.
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I know what it is like to be unable to find a specific energy for months while your health depletes and instincts override logic. I also know what its like to find that energy and not think twice before taking as much as is needed to bring me to a natural balence. I also know what its like to know that there is a "backup" supply waiting for me should I ever want to use it.
I was exactly the same as the beings you describe when I was younger before I found other methods of fullfilling my needs.
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Cool story bro
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(My offer to personally teach you how to shield effectively is open.)
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There are many places online that teach effective psychic defense from these beings, and psychic attacks in general. I've stated many important ones in my original post. If these sources leave important defense methods out that you feel are missing (shielding...already mentioned), it would further benefit people being targeted!
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Seems your sense of superiority, morality and your cold sense of "justice" is stopping you in your tracks with that one. There is no true reason not to stand on equal ground because its beneficial to everyone.
I just like many others are aware that everything is equal and that no action/duress can depelete anyones worth/equality.
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You are very judgmental, yet you know nothing of my situation. I've tried that approach, and kept it for many months. I have had success with getting rid of a certain few, but I have exhausted most of my options with the rest of them.
Because I've started doing this, I've noticed they are getting scared and feel endangered. I'm not doing this to feel a sense of "superiority", and I am not a cold person. I empathize with them, and I know them well. But showing compassion, and trying to reason with them hasn't worked with the ones who remain. They have no respect for me or my goals (which cannot be accomplished without them gone), so I am trying to ignore any regard I have for theirs. Once they find another host or not while they starve is not my problem. Their dis-function shouldn't have to effect me or anyone else.
I'm not saying everyone should do this, unless it has to be done. Frankly, I sometimes hesitate with them because I know what it does to them...plus their energy can feel gross. A good salt bath settles the feeling.
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How is that hypocritical on my part? I was simply making a statement.
You never mentioned that many attacks occur during your sleep. This would be due to inefficient energetic protection.
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Because it was a hypocritical statement.
Energetic defenses can be deteriorated very quickly during an attack if they're not under maintenance and reinforcement. Hard to keep up when your not lucid and unaware of what is really going on during a dream. When I'm lucid, I do just fine.
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Some vamps have ascended too. They have as much equal right to do so as anything else. I think you may want to re-think your methods there.
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The individual is perfectly capable of ascending, but only after being after being corrected can they ascend through their own effort and/or the help of other beings, otherwise, I do not see how this is possible due to their disfunctionalities...so are you honestly sure that is a correctly worded statement? I don't want to sound self righteous. In case anyone gets confused by reading this, you should consider what I have explained earlier.
They say in the bible, to get into heaven, you have to be perfectly good. Once you reach the Source, you are perfect and complete, but you cannot get there by rejecting it. The vamps who remain are either rejecting it, not sure how to go about correcting their situation, or simply unaware of themselves.
Demons, who are all vampires (whether preying on domination and consumption of mortals, or dis-incarnate beings) have no connection to the Source, and are only indirectly fed by consuming what is created by it. Out of ego, and because they're so set in what they are, most are not likely to change anytime soon. Many of them have stayed this way for thousands of years, and even longer. Dis-incarnate humans can follow the same fate and have.
You can try your best to help, but you'll be wasting your time dealing with the ones who are more "set". Even the ones aren't totally set, may still be out of your control. As for my situation, I do not believe they cannot be helped, but it is not within my power.
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You keep saying its their persistence, but you fail to see that they wouldn't be persisting if you were able to cope with what they are doing.
I understand how the desinsitisation can affect things and that if you need something to survive badly enough you'll go to any lengths to get them.
But there are always compromises to be made and ways of effectively dealing with the "problem."
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Hopefully what I have said above will change this attitude of yours.
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I'm no buddy and no I havent forgotten that your using websites to defend yourself. You can assume all you like and follow websites made by strangers that all follow a similar trend and people who all hold similar experiences and opinions whom are drawn to such sites. I'm not one to say what is right or wrong, I'm simply sharing from personal experience in the hope that you get a different broader view of something you know a bit about.
There are two sides to every matter, I'm just the "other" side.
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Yes, I am defending my points with sources. I understand your point of view, but what you say is very disturbing.
I am not disputing these points with you for the sake of convincing you because I know what you consider as "the other side". I have been furthering this argument so that when people compare our points (opinions aside), they'll see that you have stated quite a bit of misleading information.
Hopefully, after reading these posts, they'll be able to understand these points of view, as far as opinions go, but they will at least have an understanding of the truth.