What does death mean to you?

[FallingLeaves]

spiritual death is: you decide, maybe unconsiously, that you have no choice, that you never will have a choice, and then you act upon that decision and intend to jsut make yourself go along with whatever you believe because in your mind it is the only thing that ever can happen, or ever will happen.

IOW life makes waves. Sometimes things are consciously made to happen, even when it makes no sense to us that they could.

But the death we've all come to know and love is just a doorway to someplace else. Kind of to shake you up and quit letting you be complacent with all the 'things' you have 'acquired'.

in that way 'death' was contrived, as a means to perpetuate 'life'.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by WhiteWarrior

Death means the prison term is finished and that I am let go, but have to leave all belongings behind here. Then I am sent back to the other side where I will either manage to stay out of trouble, or end up with yet another sentence and yet another memory wipe before they send me behind bars again.

Why I think like this? Because, based on what 'life' has to offer, I can only assume that it is meant as a punishment - I truly can't imagine myself going back here by my own free will.

I think the same, but, at some point I had to give in, and let god know, I agree with what he has done to me. What I wanted for myself and others is jsut totally not worth even a small part of what he means from all this. And what I did to earn this place I have is definitely not something I should be allowed to continue with. God is harsh, but God is oh so smart!

[muffin]

Originally Posted by WhiteWarrior

- I truly can't imagine myself going back here by my own free will.

Good afternoon WhiteWarrior

I think you may even surprise yourself, given the chance.

[neil]

Originally Posted by WhiteWarrior

Death means the prison term is finished and that I am let go, but have to leave all belongings behind here. Then I am sent back to the other side where I will either manage to stay out of trouble, or end up with yet another sentence and yet another memory wipe before they send me behind bars again.

Why I think like this? Because, based on what 'life' has to offer, I can only assume that it is meant as a punishment - I truly can't imagine myself going back here by my own free will.

Or just mabe you & evey other believer in reincarnation, has it all wrong.

What if you are on your first & last incarnation....& that there is only ever one incarnation into the physical for every single being...mmmmm.

& that all memories, visions, & so called proofs of previous or furture life reincarnations are just smoke & mirror tactics from certain earth bound spiritual beings.

& what if you have a most amazing exhilaration of an eternal life of a spiritual being coming your way at the moment of your transition into the life of a spiritual being yourself, if only you can go in the way of love..like i would expect, nothing else but loving behavior from you White warrior.

White warrior, What say you.

[William 辰]

Death means nothing to me.

[WhiteWarrior]

Originally Posted by neil

Or just mabe you & evey other believer in reincarnation, has it all wrong.

What if you are on your first & last incarnation....& that there is only ever one incarnation into the physical for every single being...mmmmm.

& that all memories, visions, & so called proofs of previous or furture life reincarnations are just smoke & mirror tactics from certain earth bound spiritual beings.

& what if you have a most amazing exhilaration of an eternal life of a spiritual being coming your way at the moment of your transition into the life of a spiritual being yourself, if only you can go in the way of love..like i would expect, nothing else but loving behavior from you White warrior.

White warrior, What say you.

Heh. That death is a one and final experience followed by an eternity of absolutely nothing would be absolutely wonderful. Like sleep, only without dreams and without aches and never having to wake up again. Sweet blankness. I wish I could still believe in it. And if all the past lives I think I have been through never happened, so what? Frankly, if I die ten seconds after posting this, so what? I don't matter, I probably never did even if I did live before, and any future lives or future years are as surely wasted and pointless as the years I have already gone through in this life. Who cares what my energies are labeled, where they came from or they will go. I am just a single drop of water in the ocean, a single fragment of sand in the desert, a single atom in the air. And probably polluted at that.

There is just one thing that gives me pause. Whatever intangible elements the future and the past and a possible other side contains, I can't help noticing the very unlikeliness of being alive at all. That anything is alive. A vast universe, a hundred thousand stars, a million planets, and all of it mere gases and minerals and chemicals. All of it, as far as we have been able to see so far. Nothing but the table of elements. And here we are. Even the smallest and simplest living being you can name should not exist according to any kind of universal math. But here we are. And I find this fact one hell of a lot less likely than the possibility of there being more dimensions to existence than the one we see with our basic senses. So, accepting the realness of this impossible life, I keep my mind open that there could be more. I have to.

My hallucinations will cease and I will get answers. After that I will enjoy the spirit worlds in perfect health.

[neil]

Originally Posted by WhiteWarrior

Heh. That death is a one and final experience followed by an eternity of absolutely nothing would be absolutely wonderful. Like sleep, only without dreams and without aches and never having to wake up again. Sweet blankness. I wish I could still believe in it. And if all the past lives I think I have been through never happened, so what? Frankly, if I die ten seconds after posting this, so what? I don't matter, I probably never did even if I did live before, and any future lives or future years are as surely wasted and pointless as the years I have already gone through in this life. Who cares what my energies are labeled, where they came from or they will go. I am just a single drop of water in the ocean, a single fragment of sand in the desert, a single atom in the air. And probably polluted at that.

There is just one thing that gives me pause. Whatever intangible elements the future and the past and a possible other side contains, I can't help noticing the very unlikeliness of being alive at all. That anything is alive. A vast universe, a hundred thousand stars, a million planets, and all of it mere gases and minerals and chemicals. All of it, as far as we have been able to see so far. Nothing but the table of elements. And here we are. Even the smallest and simplest living being you can name should not exist according to any kind of universal math. But here we are. And I find this fact one hell of a lot less likely than the possibility of there being more dimensions to existence than the one we see with our basic senses. So, accepting the realness of this impossible life, I keep my mind open that there could be more. I have to.

Oh gee White warrior...I started to read your reply, & I hope I haven't jumped to the wrong conclusion of your reply.

But maybe you didn't catch my drift in my post.

When I said first & last incarnation, i meant, first & last incarnation, into a physical earth style life/incarnation. ,

What I am suggesting is, that after the earth incarnation, you will be a spiritual being, with a beautiful spiritual body, constructed in the likenesses of your human form.
& never ever having to experience a life of a physical being on a planet similar to earth, ever again.

White Warrior. Click on ."SCIENCE & SPIRITUALY"......."HOW DO NON PHYSICAL BEINGS STORE MEMORIES".
& read the very few post between Organic born & myself

There is only two or three of them. & just Maybe you might be interested, in the content.
& as always. ."Organic born's" post are a worthy read.

& the Highest regards for your presence on this forum, & of course your input.
SMILES from me Neil.

Ps. please let me know if have the wrong impression of your reply post.

[neil]

Originally Posted by Burntfruit

My hallucinations will cease and I will get answers. After that I will enjoy the spirit worlds in perfect health.

YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE TO SAY, THAT I DO NOT ENJOY CONSUMING """BURNT FRUITS"""..SMILES.

But getting on to your post, "YES"....your post is fairly much right on the ""MONEY"".

BUT I wouldn't use the word..."hallucination".

.

[WhiteWarrior]

Originally Posted by neil

Oh gee White warrior...I started to read your reply, & I hope I haven't jumped to the wrong conclusion of your reply.

But maybe you didn't catch my drift in my post.

When I said first & last incarnation, i meant, first & last incarnation, into a physical earth style life/incarnation. ,

What I am suggesting is, that after the earth incarnation, you will be a spiritual being, with a beautiful spiritual body, constructed in the likenesses of your human form.
& never ever having to experience a life of a physical being on a planet similar to earth, ever again.

White Warrior. Click on ."SCIENCE & SPIRITUALY"......."HOW DO NON PHYSICAL BEINGS STORE MEMORIES".
& read the very few post between Organic born & myself

There is only two or three of them. & just Maybe you might be interested, in the content.
& as always. ."Organic born's" post are a worthy read.

& the Highest regards for your presence on this forum, & of course your input.
SMILES from me Neil.

Ps. please let me know if have the wrong impression of your reply post.

My post meant to convey that logic does not agree with there being reincarnation, multiple lives or an afterlife of any kind. But rationality counterargues that it is not logical that this universe should have any kind of life in it at all. Since life, quite complex life, does exist none the less, logic should therefor be applied with caution. Based on this I see it as possible that there could be further layers of existence. Including reincarnation and afterlife and other dimensions. After all.... 99 out of 100 ants are unaware of human civilization. So I will stay open minded.

The idea of being eternally beautiful is one I struggle with though. It would mean the afterlife would look like an eternal Ken & Barbie world, where everyone are oh so beautiful and everyone are adorable.... "Oh, there goes Doctor Goebbels and John Wayne Gacy and their young friends, aren't they all simply beautiful? How well the uniforms and clown masks fit!" But beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder - of the mirror. Looking my very best after a small army of stylists had run me over, I still don't think people would see me as beautiful. I don't try to be. I don't WANT to convey beauty because that is not one of my aspects. And I think that in the afterlife if there is some nifty functions where we all are made to see everyone else as beautiful, it's going to be more like some kind of hell than some kind of heaven. Afterlife, if we all get to look just like we want to, will still look more like a busy evening at MacDonalds than a grand show night at the model school. But I will listen with interest to counter arguments.