Meditation Instead Of Sleep

[captainamerica]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

This is why obtaining Moksha is seen to be so important.

Yes, I agree that getting moksha is important and I also agree with your logic behind it :-) I also tried to express that moksha is important in my previous post.

But it still is clear to me that the ultimate purpose of life is expression , what do you say?

I also do not like people who preach to the masses the doctrine of in-action to get moksha, implying that this life is of no value.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by captainamerica

Yes, I agree that getting moksha is important and I also agree with your logic behind it :-) I also tried to express that moksha is important in my previous post.

But it still is clear to me that the ultimate purpose of life is expression , what do you say?

I also do not like people who preach to the masses the doctrine of in-action to get moksha, implying that this life is of no value.

"The Proof of the Pudding is in the Eating".

If they can get Moksha by 'doing nothing' FINE! - they were probably the greatest of Yogis in a past-life who just had to take ONE more incarnation to say; "I can get Moksha without doing any Sadhana" to get Moksha themselves...who knows?

I don't worry about them, or what others do, really...unless they can touch my heart deeply in some way.

Expression has its counter side...receptivity. God can "express" all He wants, but if nobody is receptive to His love, what can Ishwara do?

Let them believe what they want to believe, because you know what? they WILL anyway.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by captainamerica

But it still is clear to me that the ultimate purpose of life is expression , what do you say?

You didn't ask me, CA, but here's my 2-cents (quoting from my treatise, What Jesus Really Meant) anyway:

It has more recently struck me that developments in the field of modern computer systems may provide us with an even more illustrative model for the universally creative, feedback-loop based interfusion of The Essence of Creativity and the Life of every individual and amalgamated aspect of Its expression. To explore this proposition, imagine if you will that the main aim or goal of said Essence’s ‘program’ – the primary motive (i.e., ‘desire’) ensconced in its ‘source code’ – is to maximally express and thereby experience Love and Joy, to Joyfully express and experience Love and Lovingly express and experience Joy to the greatest possible degree in every possible way, or something like that.

[captainamerica]

Originally Posted by davidsun

You didn't ask me, CA, but here's my 2-cents (quoting from my treatise, What Jesus Really Meant) anyway:

It has more recently struck me that developments in the field of modern computer systems may provide us with an even more illustrative model for the universally creative, feedback-loop based interfusion of The Essence of Creativity and the Life of every individual and amalgamated aspect of Its expression. To explore this proposition, imagine if you will that the main aim or goal of said Essence’s ‘program’ – the primary motive (i.e., ‘desire’) ensconced in its ‘source code’ – is to maximally express and thereby experience Love and Joy, to Joyfully express and experience Love and Lovingly express and experience Joy to the greatest possible degree in every possible way, or something like that.

Good ,but the composition could be made such that it is more simple to understand ,IMHO.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by captainamerica

Good ,but the composition could be made such that it is more simple to understand ,IMHO.

I write/speak the way my 'mind' works. Maybe you could state the same idea in more simple terms.

For whatever meanin it may convery, here's the paragraph that follows the one I quoted:

"Next, to picture the activity of the Living Entity of our Creation (i.e., of what Jesus referenced as ‘the Son’), imagine a universe-sized network made up of an infinite array of banks upon banks of computers matrixially web-strung together by way of both parallel and series connections, all simultaneously, individually and together, multi-processing the above referenced Love and Joy ‘program’, with each processor and every amalgamation thereof functionally outputting the ‘solution’ it ‘calculates’ will most probably yield the greatest possible Love and Joy ‘result’ in its case (as far as it can prognostically project, that is), which ‘solution’ then operationally functions as input in relation of any and all associated processors to whatever extent they ‘calculate’ it to be relevant to their own Love and Joy process, such that said output-n-input data-packet sequences co-actively ripple and reverberate around the network, sparking Love and Joy focused perceptions and decisions (i.e., experiences and expressions) which conjointly determine what takes place here, there and everywhere in ‘the body’ of said Entity* over the course of time."

[Footnote: * “In him we live, and move, and have our being” (Acts 17:28) is how this was articulated by one who conceptualized said Entity as being the (male) ‘Son’ of the Spirit of the universal (male) ‘Father’ of Being, two millennia ago.]

[captainamerica]

Shivani ji,

Any chance that you have read Vishnu Purana?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by captainamerica

Shivani ji,

Any chance that you have read Vishnu Purana?

I have read the Srimad Bhagavatam a LONG time ago and I hear that it's basically the same thing.

[captainamerica]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I have read the Srimad Bhagavatam a LONG time ago and I hear that it's basically the same thing.

OK , I have a question and I'll ask it here soon after taking a look at it again.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by captainamerica

OK , I have a question and I'll ask it here soon after taking a look at it again.

Cool, ask away...I am in the middle of watching the Shiv Puran and there are a lot of crossovers there...same story, different perspective, so I'll do what I can.

[captainamerica]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Cool, ask away...I am in the middle of watching the Shiv Puran and there are a lot of crossovers there...same story, different perspective, so I'll do what I can.

Thanks.

There are 7 planes of existence/consciousness in a human being. I am not talking about the 7 sheaths here. Each of these planes is further divided into 7 sub-planes so the total is 7x7=49.

Let's say I want a Ph.D. on that subject, what resources do I refer to?

It was first mentioned in Vishnu Purana.

Anything you can tell me about that would be really helpful, especially about the 7th plane, I have only been able to understand a little bit till the 6th plane (which is known by different names such as Christ consciousness, samadhi, cosmic consciousness etc.)