How is our physical body or this material world an illusion?

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

This is a very good question, soulful - however, it must be personally experienced.
The intellect can understand so much
now due to quantum physics ---but it's not the same.

Meditation is a still and silent place to maybe, hopefully get a direct experience, yourself of just how
this place is a dream, made of dream stuff.
I have mentioned I was 'lucky' at 8 yrs old I was suddenly opened to
the experience as my mouth dropped, I slowly looked around me ---
saying to myself, "Well, this is all a dream" Thinking ---made of dreamstuff. Nothing's real!!!!!!
And thus, why I'm a bit 'different'....or lucky?
Dunno, cuz it opens you to a world of ridicule and challenges from bozos.

You are right. Even though I know that it’s all a dream. But I have never had an experience that would assimilate this inside me. Due to lack of personal experience, I find it hard to grasp. I have been trying to meditate. Right now, I have this desire to drop the illusion but the illusion will be dropped when my desires stop existing.

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Illusion is just another word. Call it what you want. But you live within it, experience it because it has duration, constancy and you can rely on certain predictions about it. Usually you can explain changes within it. You can look to your how your body changes over time, how you deal with illnesses etc.

You construct it from whatever's really out there via your perception.

One of my early "occult" teachers replied to me asking what reality was with "Does it really matter?"

Yes. The less we indulge in our mind, the more there is space for pure existence.

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

It is illusion in the sense that it may/will not be same again . It is changing /fleeting / ephemeral / transient . But if by illusion somebody is trying to convey that it is arbitrary/fictitious /non-existent , it is totally wrong .

When we live in world we take many realities for granted (you may analyse entire Corona situation of last few months) . Certain world facts may have remained same for months/years/decades and it suddenly changes . To describe such elusive/fleeting/changing/non-reliable nature of world / body etc , people use the word illusion .

Hope this explains .

Yes. This is what I have read as well. Whatever is temporary or fleeting, is an illusion. Illusion doesn’t necessarily mean something not existing, but simply a part of our dream. But I wonder if it is something that cannot be understand from the level of mind as I know about this illusion, but I have not realized it yet.

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by inavalan

The same way as your-body-when-you-dream is a manifestation of you-who-are-dreaming. In your dream, you-from-your-dream believes he is "real" as much as you-who-reads-this-post believes to be "real".

Who creates / manifests both the "dream"-you and the "awake"-you? Your subconscious.

This world is a dream. Everything is created by the creator. We are the creator and the creation. Great mystics have talked about it but I have scepticism in regards of whether it’s just a metaphor or the truth of our existence. Are we actually a part of a dream and in a deep slumber?

[inavalan]

If you're interested I just posted a link to a free pdf.

Spiritual Forums > Spirituality & Beliefs > Dreams > Dreams and Projections From Seth Early Sessions

I can't say that I accept all that Jane Roberts channeled from Seth, but I find amazing how much of what I read confirmed what I received through direct inner guidance.

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by God-Like

It is what it is .

If you see more than that then all sorts of things can be imagined .


x daz x

But if it’s a dream, why do we imagine and create just realistic things?

[soulfulmusing]

Originally Posted by inavalan

If you're interested I just posted a link to a free pdf.

I can't say that I accept all that Jane Roberts channeled from Seth, but I find amazing how much of what I read confirmed what I received through direct inner guidance.

Thank you for sharing this. I will download it right away.

[Okey Dokey]

There are many thoughtful replies to this thread from a diversity of beliefs and environments.

I also have thoughts on this topic, but first I ask this to be considered: What is more important, the destination or the journey? The answers we may hope to find, or the questions we ask? Is there only one truth or many? All truths are true and all paths are valid.

I have been leaning more lately toward the belief that we are conscious beings created of light and vibration. We exist now and always will in some created form we may choose to take.

Nothing really exists outside of our consciousness. What we perceive to be a physical reality is real to us in every way that our physical vessels sense it. The pain and suffering are real, as well as the love, joy, happiness, and the wonderful variety of peoples of many shapes and forms created to co-exist with us. But are they real or just an illusion?

I don’t believe it should matter to me or will slow the progress of my ascension if I never know the answer. But I am grateful for the question and an opportunity to expand my thoughts in this direction.

I see us as splintered fragments of the Supreme Creator, with each fragment, like a hologram, containing the whole image within each portion. In this way the Creator has a way of experiencing itself in many forms and from many points of view. And to make it a more realistic experience we, as fragments of the Supreme Creator, were given the ability to dream, and to believe the dream to be our own experiences within a physical reality.

Love and kindness
namaste

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Okey Dokey

There are many thoughtful replies to this thread from a diversity of beliefs and environments.

I also have thoughts on this topic, but first I ask this to be considered: What is more important, the destination or the journey? The answers we may hope to find, or the questions we ask? Is there only one truth or many? All truths are true and all paths are valid.

I have been leaning more lately toward the belief that we are conscious beings created of light and vibration. We exist now and always will in some created form we may choose to take.

Nothing really exists outside of our consciousness. What we perceive to be a physical reality is real to us in every way that our physical vessels sense it. The pain and suffering are real, as well as the love, joy, happiness, and the wonderful variety of peoples of many shapes and forms created to co-exist with us. But are they real or just an illusion?

I don’t believe it should matter to me or will slow the progress of my ascension if I never know the answer. But I am grateful for the question and an opportunity to expand my thoughts in this direction.

I see us as splintered fragments of the Supreme Creator, with each fragment, like a hologram, containing the whole image within each portion. In this way the Creator has a way of experiencing itself in many forms and from many points of view. And to make it a more realistic experience we, as fragments of the Supreme Creator, were given the ability to dream, and to believe the dream to be our own experiences within a physical reality.

Love and kindness
namaste

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Deeeep!

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Originally Posted by soulfulmusing

It's often stated that our physical body or this material world is a manifestation of the higher power, but they are considered to an illusion. Detachment from the body is often emphasized and so is said to not get stuck in the matrix.

1) But what exactly constitutes as 'illusion'?

2) If it’s a dream. If we are the creator and the creation, why do we only dream realistic stuff in this life?

How many people who claim reality is an illusion have had the courage of their beliefs to jump off a high place?


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