Signs of Results...

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

Esoterism is the idea that some spiritual teachings should be kept secret from the majority and only be revealed to a select few. The Upaniùads, which were composed around the time of the Buddha, were secret teachings only made available to high caste people who pledged total loyalty to the teacher. Even in Tibetan Buddhism or Vajrayana, some teachings are reserved only to those who have been initiated. The idea that the Dhamma should be restricted to or monopolized by an ‘in-group’ was repugnant to the Buddha. He perceived the truths he taught as being understandable to all, relevant to all and applicable to all. On one occasion he said, ‘Three things shine openly, not in secret. What three? The orb of the moon, the orb of the sun and the Dhamma and discipline taught by the Tathàgata’ (Anguttara Nikaya I. 283). He reiterated this same point just before his final passing when he said; ‘I have proclaimed the Dhamma without any idea of a hidden and open teaching. I do not have the closed fist of the teacher who holds anything back’ (Digha Nikaya II. 100).

They are not hidden...

Some practices are high level. If done before one is ready one may experience nothing and waste time or do things that is way beyond them and hurt themselves.

Buddhism is a system of practices that grow more and more powerful as one progresses..

Pretty simple really...

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

Padmasambhava had five major female tantric companions, the so-called 'Five Wisdon Dakinis' (Wylie: Ye-shes mKha-'gro lnga) or 'Five Consorts.' In Padmasambhava's biography - they are described as the five women "who had access to the master's heart", and practiced secret sexual tantric rites which are considered to have exorcised the previous demons of Tibet and converted them into protectors of the country.' They were: Mandarava of Zahor - the emanation of Vajravarahi's Body; Belwong Kalasiddhi of (North-West) India - the emanation of Vajravarahi's Quality, Belmo Sakya Devi of Nepal; the emanation of Vajravarahi's Mind, Yeshe Tsogyal of Tibet; the emanation of Vajravarahi's Speech and Mangala or Tashi Kyedren of "the Himalayas" - the emanation of Vajravarahi's Activity.

Doesn't sound like he followed the Buddha's teachings.....

Here is a very good article talking about consort practices in the various traditions and sutras.

http://www.khenposodargye.org/2013/1...-and-precepts/

Seems Buddhist to me

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

They are not hidden...

Some practices are high level. If done before one is ready one may experience nothing and waste time or do things that is way beyond them and hurt themselves.

Buddhism is a system of practices that grow more and more powerful as one progresses..

Pretty simple really...

Dharma is not by its power and they may in this way count as physical energy but not in metaphysics transformation or shift of realities. The later is the true dharma-subtlety.

That's why Gods are going into wrong course of hunting greater power or energy and think that their dharma can be increased rapidly. But it won't happen that way. Stronger energy or power may help a bit but it isn't true. That's misleading. Metaphysics are depending on thoroughly understanding of the secret nature of realities. Physical energy has nothing concerned of the practice. That's why even Gods are fighting by strength to strength. Then what's the dharma that they have known? Nothing at all for the dharma energy techniques.

When it can hurt people that means it's practicing in a wrong method or pushing themselves too hard or do unnecessary extreme practices.

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

So much hate for Buddhist teachings.


So sad really.

The response that you received here isn't call hate. But people choose their life to face their future. Not that simple swallow all that he can get somehow, somewhere.

If you're a true Christian or Buddhist then you can only stick to what's good for you but not that the practice that will endanger your life, innit? Sometimes bad practice may costs and wasting your life for nothing you can gain but only miserable sadness or plight.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

The response that you received here isn't call hate. But people choose their life to face their future. Not that simple swallow all that he can get somehow, somewhere.

If you're a true Christian or Buddhist then you can only stick to what's good for you but not that the practice that will endanger your life, innit? Sometimes bad practice may costs and wasting your life for nothing you can gain but only miserable sadness or plight.

What is a lama in Tibetan Buddhism Jeremy?

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

So much hate for Buddhist teachings.


So sad really.

I think the hate comes from your thoughts only and it is ' so sad really ' because I have not read one post on here from anyone who post's that shows any hatred, a difference of opinion is not hatred.

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

What is a lama in Tibetan Buddhism Jeremy?

Not all people respect Lama there or elsewhere. That's because of their way of practicing their religions. They're learners of practicing of spells and incantations or insignia. At anytime they can bewitch or hypnotize or control their followers. That's the dangerous games to following them.

For example, when he wants the beauty girl to be his sex partner then if that Lama is evil , he can always using his spells paper incantations to control her and there's no escape from his evildoing.

So you see.... that's darkness force applied in this case......

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

I think the hate comes from your thoughts only and it is ' so sad really ' because I have not read one post on here from anyone who post's that shows any hatred, a difference of opinion is not hatred.

I see you sky.

You don't encourage you discourage.

You don't build up you tear down.

You don't help show others a way you tell others their way is wrong.

You don't accept others beliefs you promote only what you believe.

When others promote hatered, untruths and lies you encourage them.

I see you sky.

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

I see you sky.

You don't encourage you discourage.

You don't build up you tear down.

You don't help show others a way you tell others their way is wrong.

You don't accept others beliefs you promote only what you believe.

When others promote hatered, untruths and lies you encourage them.

I see you sky.

If you say so

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

If you say so

Just look at any Buddhist thread and anyone can see.

Look at your comments about the teachings in this thread and your encouragement of Jeremy about Tibetan Buddhism as an example