Healing from Schizophrenia/Psychosis/Severe MH issues?

[Arcturus]

hiya, amalgam filling removal is not cheap and if not done properly can worsen symptons...i would not advise it personally without thorough research and going to someone who is aware of the mercury issue and is very competent in the specific removal procedure, i.e. not your average dentist. <i have to say this because i brought up the topic and folk will read this thread.

i can understand your point of the lesser of two evils...but thread title is "healing from..." and of course meds will prevent that. i'm not sure if say experimenting with gluten free would offer up correct indications if that were a contributing factor, whilst on meds, but it's worth a try. you can more than likely tell if gluten is a factor just by the type of stool you pass. it's an easy way to remove one possible...it might even tip the balance so you can stop meds. many folk who have night terrors or bad dreams stop when they go gluten free. that said i'm still not implying it is this but i'm wondering why you wouldn't try it....

tentatively....blaming the psyche enables folks to decide against changes in diet, lifestyle and enviroment that could help because they can carry on all that and just change the way they think or feel. i've no doubt that the mh system in this country or any other is not very helpful to say the least...we're on our own.

organic diet free of preservatives etc etc etc would be a necessary starting point. whether you have the funds to do all this is not relevant to the debate on whether they are right to do or not. my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound fecetious, is that if it's right and in your's and the greater good, the world will conspire to see that you get it.

people do make huge changes in their mental state by altering diet and enviroment. as for the psyche, i prefer J krishnamurti's teaching because of course you can heal the body but if the mind is crooked other illnesses will occur, as it's this that governs choices. my experience also is that i don't have an illness or illnesses, i am it, it is me who must heal and that includes being open (not closed mentally. conclusion free as that prevents enquiry) to possibilty of enviromental factors. also just because a hospice or care centre uses natural approaches does not mean they understand causes. and yes, you can have an affect coming purely from a psyche perspective but why not use both. psychologists find psychological causes.

"the specialist can never understand the whole" - j krishnamurti

peace

Originally Posted by necta3

amalgam filling

It may have soemthing to do with things- on the other hand it may have absolutely nothing to do with what I have expereinced - Not everyone with amalgam fillings is schizophrenic - So it can't just be that anyway?

i can understand your point of the lesser of two evils...but thread title is "healing from..." and of course meds will prevent that.

Not necessarily - & it may well be that the medication is necessary at this stage of things.

i'm wondering why you wouldn't try it....

Because I have tried many things; & I don't think that's what the primary problem is - I thought I'd made all this explicitly clear in what I've posted?

I already use a holistic approach - always have done.

But thanks anyway.

[Arcturus]

unlikely that any kind of metal in the mouth would not at least exacerbate, if not cause, a condition such as yours. some people are very allergic to them of course...5% by the american dental associations reckoning. as well as this it's the leach that counts not the amount of fillings; 1 filling can equal 10. i had one which read 27 micro-amps...most read 2 (brain operates in millionths of an amp, 1000 fold increase in current!), so it was the equivalent of 13...+ the other 6. that said i've already stated it may not be the prime factor, i was as a much illustrating that physical things like fillings can and do affect mental state, in my opinion in anyone who has them, according also to one professor of psychology. there was a prime time programme called "tonight" in the uk that featured people who suffered years of chronic pain which abated immediately after having metal implants (not fillings) removed from their mouths. it's very possible that you would not heal if they were removed, i didn't.

as per the meds, if the cause was understood then they would be the greater of two evils. whether they are necessary or not, the point is is that they make you acidic and toxic which causes illness and at some point this will have to be dealt with to "heal". it maybe that you are not, at present, apt at narrowing down the cause so the present need might only apply because it's you, though i could understand how that statement might annoy, excuse if so...and of course i might be completely wrong about all of this and you maybe putting up a better show than i or anyone else could under your set of circumstances

you have made it clear that you think it's more psychological, obviously i'm disagreeing and saying i think you might be wrong. i'm not here to not question your conclusions, i'll try to do so in a friendly manner but communication, particularly in text, is not my forte.

wholistic is great and i commend this approach, though i'm not sure just what your wholistic approach is and of course finding the correct wholistic approach is what is key.

good luck with it, i hope you find a way through it

Hi & thanks. I know that fillings are bad - if it were more easily possible then I'd have them all removed. If I had more inclination & discipline with different diets - then I'd try them too. But there is a lot with supplements & different things that I have tried that have appeared to make no difference.

Given my own journey & life experiences - I very much feel that things are primarily social/environmental (family dynamics/stress & trauma) & psychological & spiritual factors.

For over 10 years I've been working with highly experienced & competent spiritual healers, & following a T-Total recovery path. I do think that there is a lot of damage from many things - years of very heavy drug use; & the experiences of hospitalisations & breakdowns. I also feel that there is a lot of past life issues/traumas.

A part of me also concedes that there is a physiological (genetic/brain chemical/structural) element to all this as well (however caused).

After a few years of very heavy drug use & alcoholic drinking; & looking into & practising occult subjects - I had a very powerful experience. I couldn't imagine being more terrified.

I feel that I came into this life with a full 'in tray' - with a lot of things to deal with - that I had a 'falling out' with my spiritual side - didn't want to do the work - & on an unconscious/subconscious level; drew a lot of negativity into my life; as a mechanism of grounding myself in the physical to be able to do what I came here to do. That culminated in the first episode of 'psychosis' - that I feel was a very 'negative' & unbalanced spirit that I unwittingly drew into my energy field.

This being is long since gone - things are patched up with my spiritual side; & I've done a lot of work on things & am doing what I'm meant to be doing.

The condition is I think like a scar tissue - That certain things can aggravate it. As much as I don't like the medication - it is a low dose of one drug. I've tried everything within my resources to get off it; & have been unable to successfully. It does seem to give me a quality of life & ability to function - that I do not have if I stop taking it. This may change? or it may be a something that I have to accept.

[Arcturus]

sounds very similar to my experiences. i had the feeling of a negative spirit in my field pre episode and have also had a very terrifying event, though probably not the same, it was bizarre and also i smoked marijuana for years, took e's and have an interest in healthy occult matters. of course similar to amalgams, many do this and do not have scizophrenia.

i can feel where you're going with this but it changes nothing from my perspective. in that state, or verging on it, it's incredibly difficult to evaluate your situation and the conclusions you make are so real that nothing and no-one can tell you otherwise, ever. the spirit i had was there but the negative aspect was my projection, not that is the same for you. it affects your reality profoundly, as you know.

schizophrenia is, from one perspective, is a severe depletion of seratonin and similar endorphins and hence the ability to relax and be calm. what i've pointed to will always exacerbate that, regardless of specific cause...so there's much you can try. if you're on a wi fi connection, plug the ethernet cable in or adsl preferably...as bathing a body in microwaves excites and stresses a body and it's reaction is to try and release endorhins to stay relaxed, some people have ample some less so, hence why wi fi causes sleep disturbances, triggers adhd etc..

oh the quote should have been "the specialist can never percieve the whole"

Originally Posted by necta3

of course similar to amalgams, many do this and do not have scizophrenia.

Yes - & there are a million theories & reasons as to what it could all be - We simply do not have the answers. It may be that I'm sensitive to ongoing transmissions from an Ancient space craft buried deep in Antarctica? Or a pathogen in-utero?; or an off hand comment made to me in childhood? Or the cat gave me Toxoplasmosis? Or it was a bad trip? - or serotonin depletion from E's? Or trauma, or stress - or maybe the Doctors were/are right - that it's a brain condition caused through unexplained biologic factors in genetic mutation & brain structural changes. Who really knows with any of it?

i can feel where you're going with this but it changes nothing from my perspective. in that state, or verging on it, it's incredibly difficult to evaluate your situation and the conclusions you make are so real that nothing and no-one can tell you otherwise, ever. the spirit i had was there but the negative aspect was my projection, not that is the same for you. it affects your reality profoundly, as you know.

Of course - & in ways you are talking a truism - madness is madness; that's the nature of it - Is it all 'simply' Delusional? What is 'psychotic delusion' & what isn't - & how do you tell the difference?

schizophrenia is, from one perspective, is a severe depletion of seratonin and similar endorphins and hence the ability to relax and be calm. what i've pointed to will always exacerbate that, regardless of specific cause...so there's much you can try. if you're on a wi fi connection, plug the ethernet cable in or adsl preferably...as bathing a body in microwaves excites and stresses a body and it's reaction is to try and release endorhins to stay relaxed, some people have ample some less so, hence why wi fi causes sleep disturbances, triggers adhd etc..

oh the quote should have been "the specialist can never percieve the whole"

The serenity prayer comes in handy here. I do what I can to live as naturally & as holistically as I can (in all areas of my life) [I don't use deodorants - & use natural soap, natural oils & salt in the bath, & fluoride free toothpaste, & leave the windows open, & eat as organic/fresh foods as possible, & drink lots of water, & not have too much caffeine or sugar, & be around nature as much as I can; etc etc etc].

In general the 'specialist' (not all; but most of them) is viewing things from predominantly materialistic/biological/reductionist perspectives. Although there has been a slight shift in some ways over the past 2 decades in acknowledging slightly more the experiences of the 'sufferer' (& what helps them individually) & also in acknowledging the complexities & unknowns; as well as the psychological & social aspects of these conditions. But progress to a more humane, caring & holistic system is dreadfully slow with the mainstream MH system & culture in general.

I looked very deeply into V2K/microwave & associated technologies [MK Ultra/T.I.'s etc etc] some years ago - I don't own a microwave; nor a TV. I've never used wi-fi. I use a wired Ethernet connection. But I live in a built up area & last time I checked could pick up 7 wireless networks from the flat. What do I do? Copper & lead line the walls? Sleep under tin foil sheets?

I use a mobile phone - but only through convenience & necessity - I'd rather not; but it's difficult to escape from a lot in this culture. I avoided using a mobile phone & the internet up until 10 years ago.

Look at the World - since the Industrial Revolution there is something like 600,000 different chemical compounds that were never there before that are now 'loose' within the environment - What effects do these trace elements have? (& they are in everything - food/water & air) Especially in combination? What do 50 roll ups a day do to me? Food additive's? Car & industrial pollution - Frankinfoods - The electo-magnetic/radio wave soup that we all now live in - & god know what else is out there?

Frankly I've stopped bothering - yes; so much of it all is unhealthy - but beyond what can be done - what are we realistically meant to do? I'm certainly not going to bother myself or worry about any of it any more - it's the reality of the World that we live in - it's the way that it is.

I think that the best advice that anyone has ever given me is 'Relax & Let Go' - Bout sums it all up. Like most things - simple in theory; hard in application & practise.

[Arcturus]

i don't think there are a million theories...and a couple of dozen triggers could all be one actual cause. what you do about being immersed in wi fi from others is irrelevant as far as deciding whether or not it's a trigger that needs avoiding. i should say it's not helpfull but then at least the p.c. you're using is not actual sending a reciever signal, which is the biggest concern. grounding and earthing technology could very much help you...there's a vid on youtube called "how to ground yourself cheaply"...for free you could find out if it helps, it's good stuff. shows that most folks in flat blocks walk round carrying about 7 volts in their system which can easily be earthed. it's said to mimic lying on the ground and i would agree. grounds wemotions and the mind chatter too i find. i manage quite easily to avoid the majority of negative enviromental inputs, enough to heal anyway. i live in a detached property which helps. anyway unless you have any specific questions i'll let you be, all the best

Originally Posted by necta3

i don't think there are a million theories...and a couple of dozen triggers could all be one actual cause.

Could be? Or may not be - Fact is that no one knows...

It was a slight exaggeration about a million theories :-)

Without it sounding like a truism - I think it's multiple & complex; individual & environmental factors - on physiological, psychological, social & spiritual levels. Especially concerning early brain development; combined with upbringing/family dynamics & a range of social/economic factors.

The main trigger is I think stress/trauma - but just about everything is inter-related & entwined. & expansive in scope. Psychological/spiritual angles make the most sense to me - & it is a massive subject - To very basically outline; I'd go with the notions of the personal & collective shadow/unconscious - & the past-life/'inter-life' research - as well as other esoteric ideas - such as past life traumas/experiences/Samskaras/attachments ect - Soul Plan - Life Lessons - & Incarnational path.

I have to say that I am more inclined to the theories that a lot is genetic/brain structural/chemical - biological (in combination with the above) [however caused].

I could of course be totally wrong about everything. & you may be right that it's amalgam, diet & electromagnetic pollution? I just feel that there are a lot of notions that do the rounds in 'new age'/alternative circles - & in regards to mental health conditions - I would assume that there is far more diversity than in 'physical health' complaints. With respect - no one here knows me, or my detailed history/full experiences - nor are any of you trained health professionals. To assume & conclude from a few posts (in a range of responses) - That primarily it's my diet & certain 'pollutants' That have caused all my mental & emotional confusion & distress - & that's the main cause of 'schizophrenia' - is I personally think somewhat whacked out.

Certain people suggesting that I go cold turkey off the neuroleptic I take is outright dangerous advice. I'd like to invite them over for a month, stop the medication & then see what they think?

That's not to say that I don't appreciate the discussion & responses - as I do. & it makes a refreshing change from all the usual accept your diagnosis & take your pills - robotic responses that is the mainstay of most mental health forums. But still.

I have received help from a member that has private messaged me - that has been a great help with some healing & mediations. Since Tuesday afternoon I have also been feeling a lot better; compared to how bad I had been feeling. For which I am very grateful.

what you do about being immersed in wi fi from others is irrelevant as far as deciding whether or not it's a trigger that needs avoiding............i live in a detached property which helps. anyway unless you have any specific questions i'll let you be, all the best

Sadly the realities of this World come down to money - If I had it; I'd be sunning myself on a beach, or a luxury yacht; with beautiful women hanging off me - holidays at least 3 times a year; an array of access to the best in medical/therapeutic/healing & psychological approaches - in genuinely pleasant surroundings & luxury.

The reality is that I'm an ex-addict; that has been too unwell to work for over 10 years & is dependant on low income state handouts - That in this culture has always had relatively little money - am stuck in 'cheap' housing in a block in a bad part of town - haven't been away on a proper holiday in over 9 years - & lives/& have lived very much on the poverty line with all that entails.

Read any high level report into mental health & it will show massively increased rates of mental ill health in such groups - & cite high stress in such circumstances as a major cause.

A few mill in the bank & no problems; to get all my teeth & physical health sorted - have a personal dietician/trainer - largely stress free life - live in a good area - have a Jungian analysis with a top psychologist - & more than likely eradicate the causes of 27 years of severe mental health difficulties/experiences. But it's not the reality of my life or the World that I live in.

Everything that is within my power/resources to do I have done & continue to do. I know that everyone has difficult lives - But some of us I think have very much harder lives & very much harder life lessons than others. That's my views on it all anyway.

Thanks.

If anyone is interested & wishing to find out about the current UK mainstream understandings on mental health - then I'd highly recommend these very informative reports -

"Recent advances in understanding mental illness and psychotic experiences: British Psychological Society"

http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/Rep03.pdf

The Centre for social Justice Full Report -

http://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/client/downloads/CSJ_Mental_Health_Full_Report_WEBNEW.pdf

The Marmot Report [Search for full report]

http://www.instituteofhealthequity.org/

Originally Posted by necta3

...there's a vid on youtube called "how to ground yourself cheaply"...

Will plug myself into the electrical socket to see if that helps as well.....Thanks.