The Maltese Cross.

When Spain entered into the Christian Empire they set out to be specialist in the Navy. There was no point in developing Spain to have a great land force because if they were to set out and expand their empire by land the first place they would have to go is France, and the French were into it enough as it is. When the Spanish made their presence in the World Empire they set out with their huge advanced war ships, it was a symbol of the power of their God. The Spanish warships had huge white sails, on the sails they would paint a cross, the symbol of the God that they were willing to their lives down for. Now most of the time the Spanish spent their time fighting the British and the French and they had big fancy warships too, and their war ships had big white sails with crosses painted on them too. Obviously those crosses were a symbol of those peoples gods too, and if we’re all using the same symbol we must all be worshiping the same God. So why are we fighting each other all the time. Why aren’t we uniting to build a stronger Navy to defend our God and bring his Word to the rest of the world with no God at all. The problem caused enough attention that it was decided that someone had to change the symbol for their God. Spain took on the challenge. The Christians didn’t have any prophecies that included Spain so that must mean that someday the Spanish will loose some great war and get merged into a greater empire, so the Maltese Cross was born. American biker culture always adorns the Maltese Cross because our God told us that we would loose too.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by hippocratie

When Spain entered into the Christian Empire they set out to be specialist in the Navy...

...When the Spanish made their presence in the World Empire they set out with their huge advanced war ships, it was a symbol of the power of their God....

...So why are we fighting each other all the time...

the strange thing about this, is that power was used to promote a God. why do people who want to convert others to their beleifs always back it up with war. it seems like the basic stradegy is, if people do not want to be converted, then we have the right to wage war on them. that is so strange

...so that must mean that someday the Spanish will loose some great war and get merged into a greater empire, so the Maltese Cross was born. American biker culture always adorns the Maltese Cross because our God told us that we would loose too.
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Well this is an interesting but a little skewed version of the history of the Maltese Cross.

The cross itself is a very old symbol and can be found in many cultures around the world. It is just that a symbol, and a symbol has different meanings to different people and situation. A symbol only possess as much power as is assigned to it. Christianity didn't even use the cross until after Constantine so it was used as a 'symbol' of Christianity but did not originate there.

I believe you are confusing the Maltese cross with the Iron cross which are not the same though they may look similar. Check out this link for a good explanation of different crosses.

http://www.orderstjohn.org/osj/cross.htm

As to the history of the bikers using the Maltese cross well you are way off on that one. The cross they use is the Iron cross. Many of the biker gangs were formed by service men coming back from WW2. They wore a lot of the German pins and militaria they obtained overseas and that is how the cross became associated with the bikers. Hope this helps to clarify some of the history.

Originally Posted by Mathew James

why do people who want to convert others to their beleifs always back it up with war.

They don't.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by agiosotheos

They don't.

your correct, war is not the right word to use for individual people, converters would need warships to wage war.

Something else that is important to remember about history and the influence of religion in the history is it rarely was the only reason that countries went to war. Much of the catalyst had to do with obtaining land, wealth and resources.

Originally Posted by nightowl

Something else that is important to remember about history and the influence of religion in the history is it rarely was the only reason that countries went to war. Much of the catalyst had to do with obtaining land, wealth and resources.

Yeah the Church knew that too

Originally Posted by Mathew James

your correct, war is not the right word to use for individual people, converters would need warships to wage war.

No, you don't get it. Speaking from personal experience, I can assure you, there are plenty of people who believe that others should be converted to their faith who do not believe it has anything to do with war.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by agiosotheos

No, you don't get it. Speaking from personal experience, I can assure you, there are plenty of people who believe that others should be converted to their faith who do not believe it has anything to do with war.

what does ''should be converted to their faith'' mean, that sounds like a spiritual war cry to me

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by hippocratie

...The Spanish warships had huge white sails, on the sails they would paint a cross, the symbol of the God that they were willing to their lives down for. Now most of the time the Spanish spent their time fighting the British and the French and they had big fancy warships too, and their war ships had big white sails with crosses painted on them too. Obviously those crosses were a symbol of those peoples gods too, and if we’re all using the same symbol we must all be worshiping the same God. So why are we fighting each other all the time...

oh that's it, they were fighting because they had the same sails

wars are over resources to those who hold the power and the gold. They are sold to the people that die in the wars for many different reasons. But the best way to get a teenager to lay down their life, is to convince them that they will be rewarded for it. Have you ever read the Torah or the Qur'an? My point is not about, what is the right thing to do. The point is; people who try to convert other people, wage it as a personal spiritual war, which is won or lost based the focus person being moved into the direction of the convertors position/beleif.